This is a bit premature, because I would usually wait until discussion on 46 was exhausted to start 47, but I'm leaving for Latin camp tomorrow, so I might as well post the finished summary for 47 now
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I agree - it's a wonderful reveal handled really well. And led to the LABOON! shout for a while. LABOON! Looking back on the scene at Reverse Mountain now, the sad realistic/cynical view of the Rumba Pirates has proven to be wrong, even if it will take Laboon and Crocus some time still to learn it.
I kinda came in at this point in Thriller Bark, reading the then-current scanlations - or maybe it was the next chapter first, and this was my first going-back chapter. I forget. So all the stuff leading up to this, I'd read later, sometimes in reverse. It took me some time to piece together what exactly Moria was doing with the shadows and bodies and such... I remember reading some fan anger at the time for Usopp, Nami and Chopper not even trying to stop Moria from taking Luffy's shadow, but then again if they had, they'd been immediately attacked and either captured or would have to run away. They needed not to be captured for the plot, and they wouldn't have learned as much about what was going on if they'd have to run away too soon.
It breaks my brain to even think about coming into One Piece mid-stream. I mean, I was a late-comer, of course, but I started watching/reading at volume 1 and was completely caught up before I looked at any scanlations of current chapters. I can't imagine how confused I would have been if I'd jumped into the middle of Fishman Island with no background.
I remember reading some fan anger at the time for Usopp, Nami and Chopper not even trying to stop Moria from taking Luffy's shadow
Fans can be so dumb. >.<
I agree that Usopp/Nami/Chopper needed to be spies rather than warriors here. If they'd challenged Moria outright, they'd only have ended up getting captured and not being able to do anything to help the others.
Ack, sorry for misleading wording on my part! I came into One Piece pretty much in order, though the very first volumes I more or less browse-read at first in the bookshop, before starting to read library copies and then finally buying them as they came out in translation here. Bit I got into the One Piece fandom when I was reading the Water 7 volumes in Swedish translation, and then after a few months I couldn't resist picking up the new scanlations - which were at around this chapter.
Oh, that makes sense! I wonder if I might have been more tempted to jump ahead to current chapters if I hadn't been so thoroughly warned to avoid spoilers, which meant that I was neither looking at anything beyond where I was (gnine warned me not even to look at volume titles), nor participating in any kind of fan community.
On the one hand, I'm pretty committed to experiencing things in order, so probably not... on the other hand, exposure to fan discussions/fanworks has certainly led me to seek out bits of a story out of order before, so who knows? I think I'm more likely to do that when I don't know a fandom at all, though (i.e. the only real exposure I have to the medium is through fandom in the first place - I count Harry Potter in this category).
I can't defend the Usopp/Sanji exchange, but I feel sorry for Viz the rest of the time - Brook is a walking untranslatable pun factory. He's almost worse than Zoro/Kaku's oyaji-gag sword battle.
the legendary treasure that Buggy is obsessed with finding belonged to Captain John.
Thank you, because I have no memory of that.
Luffy, now wearing some random suit of armor he found in the hallway
So much love for this. I mean, I loved the sparkles and excitement with which Luffy greeted every new experience and encounter on the island, but this … he can be such a kid.
It's wearing a haramaki.
Is the belt-thing orbiting his hips part of not-Zoro's haramaki?
the little robots launch themselves on a trip to the moon
With balloons! That has to be one of my favorite children's fantasy devices. We should all be able to float to the moon clinging to a party balloon.
The dog-penguin is making a grandiose speech about The Power of Love.
So…Sanji in the body of a throwaway wild zombie instead of a soldier zombie. Does this tie into what you and w_10_00 were saying about his being the bounty they skipped when accounting for the strength of the crew? 'cause it seems like such a waste on Moria's part.
Is the belt-thing orbiting his hips part of not-Zoro's haramaki?
I actually have no idea what that thing is, apart from the fact that it seems to be holding his swords. (What's with the little bobbly things hanging off it?) The stripy thing around his waist is what I was identifying as a haramaki. At least, I'm pretty sure that's what it is. (I'm certain you know this, but someone else might not - wearing a haramaki is associated with being an oyaji.)
The rest of the outfit notwithstanding, I had to laugh at THAT being what distinguished a scarred old zombie from Zoro in Luffy's eyes.
Me too, since it kind of implies that he possibly thought the rest of the outfit WAS in keeping with Zoro's taste in clothing.
So…Sanji in the body of a throwaway wild zombie instead of a soldier zombie. Does this tie into what you and w_10_00 were saying about his being the bounty they skipped when accounting for the strength of the crew? 'cause it seems like such a waste on Moria's part.Oh, what a great point! I never thought of that, and I'm sure
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I'm really curious: did you know about the Brook/Laboon connection due to spoilers?
I kind of don't know how to answer this. When I saw the cover of volume 46, I thought, "Ah, yes, that's the musician skeleton who becomes a member of the crew." But I did not think, "Ah, that's Laboon's nakama." However, when the narrative unfolded, I was not surprised Laboon's nakama were mostly dead and the last survivor was struggling to get back to him. So I had been spoiled on that much of the story, I just didn't know (or remember?) the specific character to hook it to. The foreknowledge is partly why the Laboon reveal isn't my favorite moment in the volume. The other being that my heart will be heavy until I know that Laboon knows (and maybe until Laboon and Brook are reunited). Whereas Usopp's amalgam designed to spark the interest of the monster trio just amuses me and reminds me how clever Usopp can be.
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LABOON! Looking back on the scene at Reverse Mountain now, the sad realistic/cynical view of the Rumba Pirates has proven to be wrong, even if it will take Laboon and Crocus some time still to learn it.
I kinda came in at this point in Thriller Bark, reading the then-current scanlations - or maybe it was the next chapter first, and this was my first going-back chapter. I forget. So all the stuff leading up to this, I'd read later, sometimes in reverse. It took me some time to piece together what exactly Moria was doing with the shadows and bodies and such... I remember reading some fan anger at the time for Usopp, Nami and Chopper not even trying to stop Moria from taking Luffy's shadow, but then again if they had, they'd been immediately attacked and either captured or would have to run away. They needed not to be captured for the plot, and they wouldn't have learned as much about what was going on if they'd have to run away too soon.
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I remember reading some fan anger at the time for Usopp, Nami and Chopper not even trying to stop Moria from taking Luffy's shadow
Fans can be so dumb. >.<
I agree that Usopp/Nami/Chopper needed to be spies rather than warriors here. If they'd challenged Moria outright, they'd only have ended up getting captured and not being able to do anything to help the others.
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Bit I got into the One Piece fandom when I was reading the Water 7 volumes in Swedish translation, and then after a few months I couldn't resist picking up the new scanlations - which were at around this chapter.
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On the one hand, I'm pretty committed to experiencing things in order, so probably not... on the other hand, exposure to fan discussions/fanworks has certainly led me to seek out bits of a story out of order before, so who knows? I think I'm more likely to do that when I don't know a fandom at all, though (i.e. the only real exposure I have to the medium is through fandom in the first place - I count Harry Potter in this category).
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LOL at the sfx when he falls: BO~N (written in bone-shaped katakana).
Though Viz does use femur-shaped exclamation points, BOOM!! just doesn't carry the joke.
Love the little mini-exchange between Usopp and Sanji: "Go get 'em, guys!" Sanji: "You're coming too, moron!"
Seriously, Viz? How is Usopp's "All right!" setting up Sanji's response? You just make Usopp look eager to attack.
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Thank you, because I have no memory of that.
Luffy, now wearing some random suit of armor he found in the hallway
So much love for this. I mean, I loved the sparkles and excitement with which Luffy greeted every new experience and encounter on the island, but this … he can be such a kid.
It's wearing a haramaki.
Is the belt-thing orbiting his hips part of not-Zoro's haramaki?
the little robots launch themselves on a trip to the moon
With balloons! That has to be one of my favorite children's fantasy devices. We should all be able to float to the moon clinging to a party balloon.
The dog-penguin is making a grandiose speech about The Power of Love.
So…Sanji in the body of a throwaway wild zombie instead of a soldier zombie. Does this tie into what you and w_10_00 were saying about his being the bounty they skipped when accounting for the strength of the crew? 'cause it seems like such a waste on Moria's part.
First mention of Kaidou by name ( ... )
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I actually have no idea what that thing is, apart from the fact that it seems to be holding his swords. (What's with the little bobbly things hanging off it?) The stripy thing around his waist is what I was identifying as a haramaki. At least, I'm pretty sure that's what it is. (I'm certain you know this, but someone else might not - wearing a haramaki is associated with being an oyaji.)
The rest of the outfit notwithstanding, I had to laugh at THAT being what distinguished a scarred old zombie from Zoro in Luffy's eyes.
Me too, since it kind of implies that he possibly thought the rest of the outfit WAS in keeping with Zoro's taste in clothing.
So…Sanji in the body of a throwaway wild zombie instead of a soldier zombie. Does this tie into what you and w_10_00 were saying about his being the bounty they skipped when accounting for the strength of the crew? 'cause it seems like such a waste on Moria's part.Oh, what a great point! I never thought of that, and I'm sure ( ... )
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I kind of don't know how to answer this. When I saw the cover of volume 46, I thought, "Ah, yes, that's the musician skeleton who becomes a member of the crew." But I did not think, "Ah, that's Laboon's nakama." However, when the narrative unfolded, I was not surprised Laboon's nakama were mostly dead and the last survivor was struggling to get back to him. So I had been spoiled on that much of the story, I just didn't know (or remember?) the specific character to hook it to. The foreknowledge is partly why the Laboon reveal isn't my favorite moment in the volume. The other being that my heart will be heavy until I know that Laboon knows (and maybe until Laboon and Brook are reunited). Whereas Usopp's amalgam designed to spark the interest of the monster trio just amuses me and reminds me how clever Usopp can be.
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