I feel that Torchwood only ever succeeds when it stops trying to be serious and just runs with the cracked out insanity. Plus, they really can't torment Owen enough for me. And it would be hilarious. >:)
(No one ever said “But Luke, you shouldn’t become a Jedi, because Owen and Beru wouldn’t recognize you! Why not go back to Tattooine, continue their farm, marry a nice lady, have some kids, and settle down moisture farming?”)If you think about it from a certain perspective, though, the emotional resolution of Luke's story is discovering his sister and redeeming his father---I know it's not the same thing as staying in one place all his life, but it's still finding home again in a sense, isn't it? I don't deny that female characters get protected to death and miss out on adventure in a lot of stories, but my reading suggests that the cap to any mature adventure story is the hero (or heroine) coming back to some sense of "home" in the end. I thought of one traditional adventure song and a poem, both by men, that expressed that sentiment just as I was reading your post
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Yeah, the traditional hero's journey generally involves returning to the "normal world" and applying what you've learned. (Which I always have a problem with, because I don't like the valorization of "normal" there either.)
But for men, there's a lot more emphasis on the learning/growing/changing part--Luke Skywalker becomes a completely different person after all that Jedi training/rebel fighting/father confronting, and it's presented as a good thing. Whereas for women, it's more about realizing that they never should've left at all, that they shouldn't change--Dorothy's story is all about how she should stay home and not change at all, which is the same thing Jackie wants for Rose.
I certainly wouldn't call it pathological of her to fear that she was going to lose Rose completely because of her association with the Doctor.
I agree that it's not pathological for her to fear that she's losing Rose. But I think her words in that quote are pathological, because she's afraid of Rose changing and growing at all. In forty or fifty
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She’s not Rose Tyler. Not anymore. She’s not even human…
You're right, that whole bit makes no sense on a character or even a plain logic level. Ever since the ep aired, I've been convinced they only put it in there to use out of context as a teaser that Rose might be getting Cyber-ised. (It was the tagline on the official website that week, as I recall, and I think it may have been used elsewhere too.)
Old school wise, I'm in the camp that says Tomb is not as good as it's cracked up to be. It's one of those ones that had its reputation enhanced by being lost. (Since you enjoy Doctor/Master, have you seen Survival?)
Hmmm, interesting theory. I'd assume it's something the marketing department just picked up afterward because it's so crazy-sounding, but you never know!
I haven't seen any old Doctor/Master episodes yet. (Just a bunch of YouTube clips). Actual episodes are next on my agenda, though. :)
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Ha! That would have been awesome! ;-)
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But for men, there's a lot more emphasis on the learning/growing/changing part--Luke Skywalker becomes a completely different person after all that Jedi training/rebel fighting/father confronting, and it's presented as a good thing. Whereas for women, it's more about realizing that they never should've left at all, that they shouldn't change--Dorothy's story is all about how she should stay home and not change at all, which is the same thing Jackie wants for Rose.
I certainly wouldn't call it pathological of her to fear that she was going to lose Rose completely because of her association with the Doctor.
I agree that it's not pathological for her to fear that she's losing Rose. But I think her words in that quote are pathological, because she's afraid of Rose changing and growing at all. In forty or fifty ( ... )
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You're right, that whole bit makes no sense on a character or even a plain logic level. Ever since the ep aired, I've been convinced they only put it in there to use out of context as a teaser that Rose might be getting Cyber-ised. (It was the tagline on the official website that week, as I recall, and I think it may have been used elsewhere too.)
Old school wise, I'm in the camp that says Tomb is not as good as it's cracked up to be. It's one of those ones that had its reputation enhanced by being lost. (Since you enjoy Doctor/Master, have you seen Survival?)
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I haven't seen any old Doctor/Master episodes yet. (Just a bunch of YouTube clips). Actual episodes are next on my agenda, though. :)
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