Fic Recs and OTW Babble

[rusty_halo]

Should I watch the Sarah Connor Chronicles? I almost never watch TV shows as they air unless I know that they've already managed to pull off at least one decent season. But Sarah Connor is one of my all-time favorite fictional characters, and The Terminator is in my list of top five movies of all time. (I'm one of those freaks who prefers the

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[kita0610]

Thing is, it's the ONLY bisexual show on regular TV. I mean, if I had a buffet of choices, sure, I'd pick one that was Emmy worthy. But right now, I'm in take what I can get territory. Also, so far, it's not so badly written. Of course, I've only seen the first ep in its entirety and a shitload of clips.

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[rusty_halo]

I really do love that it's a bisexual show. I love that Captain Jack exists so much. He's an action hero! And he kisses boys! It's revolutionary and wonderful.

It's just... y'know, it just drives me crazy because I know it could be better. (Jack is so much more of an appealing character on Doctor Who. I don't really think the actor is great, but he has awesome charisma, and for some reason they let him shine far more on DW than on his own show, where mostly he's like, grumpy boss man. I am absolutely boggled that they managed to make a character like Jack boring for a good part of the first season!)

And, man, the characters do things that are just so stupid that I lose my ability to suspend disbelief, and then I find it really hard to care about anything they do when I can't respect them at all. And I don't understand why they haven't all been fired like 500 million times over. Let me tell you, if I kept an evil cyber!monster in my office basement, and it came out and tried to kill all of my coworkers, I would expect to be fired!But

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[kita0610]

Well, I like grumpy!Jack too, because he reminds me of Angel. So.

I'll let you know what I think when I've seen more. I just don't think it will bother me as much, mostly because I am totally aware that I am in this fandom for the sex. I had my Srs Bzns fandom with Jossverse, and I'm ready for some light hearted fun with Pron.

OMG a fandom where I do not have to be insane. Is it possible, L???

[snakey]

I'm trying to figure out what I can contribute to the OTW at the moment.

Since about 30% of the people I interact with in fandom are trans men, it sometimes feels like the whole "fandom is female space" thing is another way of telling us, O HAI, UR NOT REAL MEN KTHNXBAI, and that aiming for fandom being *feminist* space might be a better way to go, but that's a whole 'nother discussion. The guys pissing and moaning because they feel they're being "excluded" get right up my nose, though.

[rusty_halo]

I think that finding a way to be involved in OTW, or talking with them about what makes you feel excluded, would be a good way to go. Because I am sure that they're not trying to make trans men feel excluded. And it does seem that the ideal way to get different voices represented is for those people to participate in the OTW. It really bothers me when people complain "my group is excluded," when it's like, well, someone from your group should join and represent themselves, then.

My understanding of the "predominantly female community" thing is that they're celebrating the fact that 1) historically speaking, media fandom was created by women to suit the interests of women, and 2) in a world where nearly everything evolved to suit the interests of men, this is a good thing. It doesn't mean that people who aren't women aren't welcome, or that only women have contributed to its development. In their mission statement, while acknowledging that women shaped media fandom, they also said that they welcome and celebrate gender diversity. I

[bubonicplague]

I'm one of those freaks who prefers the original to the sequel

You aren't the only one. Actually, I can't stand the sequel.

[rusty_halo]

I like a lot of things about it. Sarah's an awesome character, and I love her attempts to save humanity while struggling against her own dark side, and the fact that she doesn't give up even though she's completely alone and misunderstood by the whole world. I think it's awesome that they gave that kind of moral complexity to a female character.

And, on the shallow side, [whichever Patrick brother] is great as the T-1000. So creepy.

But the whole emo!Terminator and his relationship with John make me gag. Alas. The movie has this slick sentimentality that the first one completely lacks.

I never even saw the third, which I hear is for the best.

[Reposted because I suck at editing. And I forgot that you can edit comments now.]

[jerrymcl89]

The third film appears to be disgarded from the continuity of the show, so from that perspective, you aren't missing anything.

[rusty_halo]

Ooh, nifty. Perhaps I can get through life without ever seeing it.

[shipperx]

Sarah Connor Chronicles hasn't developed to the point that I can say what the series will be like, so I don't know about it in the long term. However, the actress playing Sarah has done a good job and it's clear that the series has paid attention to the movies, so it's been a faithful adaptation of the source material (which is a good thing.)

And, yes, I prefer the first movie to the second (something my nephews completely disagree with me about, but looking at it from their POV, they were small boys when T2 came out so I can see where they would have identified with the story in T2 more completely than the story in T1. T1 remains my favorite and the series does a nice job of nodding to T3 while deftly rendering it obselete.)

[rusty_halo]

Yay! T1 fans band together!

T2 came out when I was a little kid (I remember playing T2 video games) and I liked it, but it was just another slick Hollywood movie. I remember being blown away when I saw the first one and realized how much more raw and emotionally honest it was. Maybe as an adult I'd have been snarking at Kyle and his idealized pure love for Sarah, but at eleven it was the most heartbreaking beautiful thing I'd ever seen.

[ludditerobot]

Let me ask you a question. Imagine Sarah had to reach out to a former friend for an important favor, and this friend ends up screwing her. Not in the Sarah/friend sense, but in the sense that he threatens her freedom, the freedom of her son, and thus the future of humanity.

Does your Sarah have any hesitation before she blows him to Hell?

If she doesn't, I'm not sure you should join in. If she does, I'd say OK.

The actress playing Sarah is not quite the Sarah I want her to be. I could not see her physically pumping a shotgun with one hand, for example. And if you asked me before yesterday, I'd say "no question". Then I remember how she broke down after shooting Miles Dyson.

T:SCC is my new BtVS. Mileage varies, to be sure, but after these two eps, I like it.

[rusty_halo]

Hmm. Interesting. I think I'm going to have to see it and judge for myself.

I felt like they took Sarah in an *extreme* direction in T2. Not necessarily that it was OOC, but she was obviously terribly traumatized and emotionally disconnected. It bothered me a bit because at the end of T1 she'd really come into her own; she'd reached a kind of peace, an understanding of her purpose in life. She seemed a lot wiser at the end of T1 than she was throughout T2. But it was plausible, with everything she'd been through between films, that the peace hadn't lasted. Her struggle against fate is part of what I love about her.

So, yeah. I'm very curious to see what they've done with her now.