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Jun 09, 2003 14:50

I'm going to write up a full con report in a bit, but first I have to get this rant off my chest. (I really apologize for the rant. I'm trying to be a more positive person and I don't want to be known as someone who is always bitching. But this has been upsetting me very badly all weekend and I'm hoping I'll feel better if I get it all written ( Read more... )

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_flaming_june_ June 9 2003, 12:03:04 UTC
::applauding loudly::

Can't really follow up or add anything. You've said it all, and you've said it perfectly. Wish we could forward your rant to Mr. Marsters and the gang at ME for future reference.

Thanks for posting this.

::pets you::

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rusty_halo June 9 2003, 12:33:14 UTC
Thanks.

Man, I would really just love to sit down with him for an hour and talk about all this stuff. Although I doubt it would make a difference; he's got like 40 years of cultural conditioning to get over. We really ought to make him take some women's studies classes or something, lol.

I just wish he could understand how HURTFUL it is for him to say these horrible things about Spike to people who love and who deeply IDENTIFY WITH Spike.

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spicklething June 9 2003, 12:08:28 UTC
eh, perhaps it is cranky james dealing with something we don't know about. Sounds like he's projecting some angst from somewhere else onto the Spike persona. Could be way off, just strikes me as a vibe more than anything else.

What did Clem say? Issues? Think he's got issues with Spike at the moment.

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anodyna June 9 2003, 14:23:01 UTC
Yeah, you know, I think I'm going to go with KellyHK on this one. Just like many of us have a tendency to see ourselves in characters and lay certain feelings and issues of our own on them, James no doubt does, too. Those comments are quite out of line with what I've read/heard from the writers over the last couple of seasons about their intentions for Spike, so I'm going with the "James has a personal issue" theory.

I do wonder if things like that stupid Salon article that said Spike ruined Buffy and basically blamed the fans for liking him to the detriment of the show have gotten to him. That article, like James's comments apparently, also smacked of a rather outdated sexism.

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trepkos May 4 2005, 14:33:47 UTC
Exactly what I was thinking - 2 years later!

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taramisu June 9 2003, 15:54:24 UTC
Cause right now Spike would be laughing at him.

LOL! That is so true! And he'd probably call him some English thing like Pillock, or Wanker.

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Re: he's an ass circe_tigana June 9 2003, 12:29:31 UTC
Yeah ... your post has thrown me for a loop, Laura. Is he saying the stuff that we say on his face as he played Spike was a lie? Because it was HIS ACTING and INTERPRETATION that made me believe in Spike's remptitive journey, not the writing. In fact, the writing contradicted what we were being told from their acting!

I don't buy Buffy/Angel because I was TOLD they were in love. I believe in Buffy/Spike because I SAW it on their faces.

So as Kly says, The amazing thing is that he managed to play the Spike he did while having absolutely no conception of who the character actually was. I mean, that's astonishing.

This is all very upsetting.

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Re: he's an ass rusty_halo June 9 2003, 12:38:19 UTC
>>it was HIS ACTING and INTERPRETATION that made me believe in Spike's remptitive journey, not the writing. In fact, the writing contradicted what we were being told from their acting!... )

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Re: he's an ass circe_tigana June 9 2003, 13:17:04 UTC
Hmmm ... unfortunately I generalized there. I'm talking about episodes like As You Were and Seeing Red where were supposed to suddenly disbelieve everything we'd seen between Spike and Buffy thus far.

I totally agree with everything you've said, Laura, and am extremely upset by him negating his performance and his character.

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fenchurche June 9 2003, 13:53:01 UTC
The more I hear, the more I'm hoping I'll have the guts in Tampa to actually stand up during the Q&A and say something along those lines. Only, you know, in the form of a question, and worded so it sounds polite, while still making the point... all assuming I don't lose my ability to speak English or any other coherent language like I usually do around celebrities.

Fenchurch

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shadowlass June 9 2003, 14:04:11 UTC
If you do that, there's a nice packet of swag with your name on it. Or a big kiss, your choice.

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fenchurche June 9 2003, 14:13:11 UTC
I'd settle for a new chapter or two of "Bag of Bones." ;-)

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