Comments | roxybisquaint: Don't let the door hit you on the way out, John Henry

roxybisquaint

Don't let the door hit you on the way out, John Henry

Nov 22, 2010 05:55

How I can still catch something in an episode of TSCC that I never caught before is crazy, but it happened again.

I was watching Born to Run tonight and picked up on some actual evidence to support the theory that John Henry did not jump to the future: After Cameron and John Henry exchange their little "hello" greetings and he asks her if she'll ( Read more... )

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deslea November 22 2010, 11:12:37 UTC

Eeep! *brain collapses from the new possibilities*

roxybisquaint November 22 2010, 18:44:02 UTC

hehehe.

schmacky0 November 22 2010, 11:17:39 UTC

You're damn right he is!

Seriously, even if the writers didn't initially intend for him to still be in 2009, I think even they would change their minds. Really, it all points to him not jumping.

roxybisquaint November 22 2010, 18:43:11 UTC

Maybe they didn't even know which way they were going to take it because they certainly left it ambiguous enough to go either way. Since we think John Henry not jumping makes the most sense, I like that there's actually some evidence to support it.

kaotic619 November 22 2010, 11:33:05 UTC

Well, it could make for one hell of a Jameron reunion.

If Cameron is active for almost 20 years without the very person she cares the most about... I mean, John is everything to her, so being without him for so long, that would indeed be very sad. It could even help Cameron understand her *emotions* since she might be around Sarah. Cameron very well could end up becoming more human like after all those years.

To clarify about what I said on twitter. I don't have a problem with the idea/theory, I just don't see the what you're talking about as evidence. The set guys always do things that are strange - look at when John and Sarah are running from Cameron and they're just laughing. Or Cromartie's head going through time, etc... But like I said to you Roxy, I'm done being a nuisance about this. If this is the theory you want to go with, there's no reason I should rain on your parade.

kaotic619 November 22 2010, 11:42:31 UTC

I might actually work on some ideas for that and put them into a short fanfic.

roxybisquaint November 22 2010, 18:59:37 UTC

Aw, you're not a nuisance. We have different takes on where the story goes, that's all. I think they left the thing about whether or not John Henry jumped ambiguous on purpose. There is no right or wrong answer and I happen to like the story possibilities better with John henry not jumping.

The show definitely had its share of gaffs and continuity errors, but I don't think John Henry's door being open is one of them. It's not proof he didn't jump because there could be other explanations for how the door got open. But it can certainly support the theory that he didn't jump.

That could be an interesting twist on a John/Cameron story, too. If she's in the present and gets to the year john's in but gets there from a normal progression of time, he might only be away from her for a few days. But for her it could be 2 decades. You could totally write that story.

kaotic619 November 22 2010, 19:18:48 UTC

If I wrote something using the idea there's a good chance you wouldn't like it. It would be Jameron of course, with a little Kyle and Allison. :D

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datan0de November 22 2010, 12:35:31 UTC

It could just be a continuity error, but what a serendipitous one! That would make for either a huge plot twist or a further reason to continue following what's happening in 2009 even though John is up in the future.

All of this makes three things clear to me:
1) You'd make a great creative consultant for season three.
2) There really needs to be a season three.
3) I'm a complete idiot for never noticing the conspicuous absence of a pile of clothes!

Good observations on your part. Bravo.

datan0de November 22 2010, 13:01:25 UTC

I don't have an LJ account anymore, but I'm Morded. I always thought the missing clothes was a continuity error. That kind of stuff happens so often in TV shows, scc included. I wouldn't jump to conclusions or anything about that. We do however have a Catherine Weaver telling us where John Henry is and from what I could tell, she was going to go there whether John went or not. She seemed to know for a fact that he went to the future. I would bet John Henry and Weaver had it planned from the moment he was hacked.
I do agree with kaotic, though. It would be a heart breaking story for Cameron.

roxybisquaint November 22 2010, 19:41:36 UTC

Hey nice to see you again :)

I agree that Weaver was going to the future with or without John Connor. It's not like she actually invited him along, it just worked out that way since she wanted John Henry back and John wanted Cameron's chip back.

Weaver thinking John Henry jumped isn't proof to me that John Henry actually did jump. My John Henry theory is that he tricked Weaver into thinking he'd jumped so she'd leave and he'd be free to go save Savannah and confront his brother.

It would be a heart breaking story for Cameron.

You mean a shielded nuclear power source breaking story for Cameron? Good thing she has sensors for that ;)

roxybisquaint November 22 2010, 19:22:09 UTC

I think the thing about John Henry's clothing not being there is more likely to be a continuity error than this thing with the door. Even though the door being closed-then-open never jumped out at me until now, it looks intentional. Also, I think it makes more sense that John Henry tricked Weaver and didn't actually jump, so I'm delighted to finally have some on screen evidence to help support it! :D

1) You'd make a great creative consultant for season three.
2) There really needs to be a season three.
3) I'm a complete idiot for never noticing the conspicuous absence of a pile of clothes!

Hee. I totally agree with points 1 & 2. As for point 3... the clothing thing didn't occur to me until a few months ago. And it's only cuz I'm a total nerd and love to dissect this show :P

valhallalilly November 22 2010, 13:52:31 UTC

And this is why when the show comes back they need to hire you as consultant.

I love this theory.

roxybisquaint November 22 2010, 19:48:40 UTC

And this is why when the show comes back they need to hire you as consultant.

I don't know about that. It would require that I think about the show a lot and you know how much I hate to do that :P

I love this theory.

The theory that John Henry didn't jump seems to have gained a lot of ground in the past year or so, but it's awesome to finally be able to point to something on screen that makes it totally plausible.