AIG and the Federal Reserve

Sep 18, 2008 15:31

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terrycloth September 18 2008, 20:51:19 UTC
What's an 'equity stake'? Is that like 80% of the company handed over in virtual, non-voting shares?

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rowyn September 18 2008, 21:01:09 UTC
Equity = stock. This is 80% of the company handed over in real, voting shares. AIG has been nationalized.

AIG produces the shares by minting new ones. So if there were, say, 20,000 shares of AIG before this deal, there are now 100,000, of which 80,000 belong to the Fed. That's where the 'shareholder dilution" comes in, becaue the existing shareholders own a lot less of AIG now even though they didn't sell their shares. Yes, companies can do this. It's scary, but not really as scary as it sounds, because when a company mints new shares it gets paid for them and the company as a whole is bigger and worth more as a result. Strictly speaking, the Fed didn't pay for its shares, but since AIG's value was on the verge of being 0.00 without the Fed's loan, this isn't as evil to them as it sounds.

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level_head September 18 2008, 21:06:36 UTC
Well, to be fair, the "nationalized" part doesn't usually involve a large cash infusion.

But I'm in much better agreement with your writing above this time.

===|==============/ Level Head

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rowyn September 18 2008, 21:22:51 UTC
Fair enough -- while it's technically accurate, "nationalized because it was no longer viable on its own and the feds were the only ones willing to take it" is a far cry from "nationalized by gov't fiat because the gov't wanted control and despised private ownership".

A far, far cry.

Still, don't really want my government doing it either way. :/

I fear I have other things to say about the mortgage market that you would not agree with either, dear sir.

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ceruleanst September 19 2008, 00:54:37 UTC
I'm speaking from cynicism and not from any real knowledge on this, but can you give me examples of any "loans" from the US government to a big industry that ever were paid back?

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zaimoni September 19 2008, 17:38:35 UTC
The 1984 loan to Illinois Continental Bank is loosely comparable in structure to the current AIG loan; the government made money on that.

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sandratayler September 19 2008, 02:09:19 UTC
Thank you for this post and for the prior post about banks and loans and such. I have a much better grasp on it all now.

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the_vulture September 19 2008, 05:35:58 UTC
Thank you very much for that! Very informative!

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sythyry September 19 2008, 11:09:05 UTC
Again, thanks!

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