[fic] What Measure is a Navi

Nov 28, 2010 12:21

Hi, all. I'm not quite sure of the protocol for posting fanfics; if they're frowned on here, I apologize in advance.

Even if you don't read the fic, however, this is a question that I'd really like to hear some input and discussion on, if you're up to it.

I've been writing a fanfic that tries to deal with the odd way the Rockman.EXE universe treats ( Read more... )

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cxrdevil November 28 2010, 17:38:20 UTC
HI OK I HAVE OPENED THE FIC IN ANOTHER TAB AND MIGHT NOT EVEN GET TO IT OR A REVIEW TODAY BECAUSE LOL OC FLIST CHECKING BUT
OMG
EXE FIC
WHAT!!

I'm working on a couple of fanfictions for exent and it is the point where THIS FANDOM HAS BEEN DEAD FOR HOW LONG FORGET IT
omg so i haven't read the fic yet but i am certain it will be THE BEST THING THAT HAS HAPPENED IN THREE HUNDRED YEARS
luv luv luv luv luv

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cxrdevil November 28 2010, 17:47:20 UTC
oh goodness excitement sorry ( ... )

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kaisuopai November 28 2010, 18:22:13 UTC
You ARE excited. But it's cool! - I haven't seen someone else who likes EXE in SO LONG omg ( ... )

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kaisuopai November 28 2010, 18:32:18 UTC
Furthermore, does the "Frog Prince effect" apply? If a human loves/feels strongly towards/respects a Navi enough, does that Navi gain "human" status even if it has limited thought capacity? And can a generic Navi learn to be more-than-generic, and essentially customize *itself* based on its operator's personality? But if that's the case, and every generic Navi has this individual potential to become customized, what stops them from being accepted as humans who just need to develop a bit more?

GAH. SO MANY QUESTIONS.

Sorry. You've just given me a bunch of food for thought, but here's one last question. If, say, Roll were deleted, should Rock grieve? Or should he ask Meiru to back her up from previous data? Does the fact that a Navi's death can be "overcome" make their life worth less?

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krystalphoenix November 28 2010, 19:53:46 UTC
Ah I've been reading this and I'm looking forward to seeing where you're going with this~

I also spotted in the manga that yes, Netto calls Rockman "just a program" when he's upset, but there's also a bit right in the first volume. Gutsman get's deleted and Netto thinks "Be cool Dex, Gutsman can be regenerated from backup." (English manga - so used Dex). This seems to be a far cry from how he acts when Rockman is threatened with deletion.

The relationship an operator has with their navi seems to heavily hinge on whether or not the navi is a custom built one or not and then on the personality of the operator - how they treat their own navi.

You've actually got me thinking about comparing this to a concept in a sci-fi series I've read which seems on some level comparable - when something looks human and can speak and think can it be human if it's a program?

You've put forward a good question~
So much to think about

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kaisuopai November 28 2010, 20:31:38 UTC
I recognize your review from ff.net! It's just...I'm bad at responding. Yeah. BUT LJ IS USEFUL THAT WAY

I haven't read the manga recently, and I'm not sure if I've ever seen the first book. But yeah, there is a strange disconnect between how Netto treats Rockman - and his first generic Navi in the anime - like a program, and then how he treats Rockman later, even without the Saito backstory. While I know that his later view of Rockman as a friend and partner is the recommended view, does that mean that another Operator viewing their Navi as less-than-human is actually wrong? Would Netto have the right to get angry at someone who suggests that Rockman is just a program, and that his deletion doesn't matter since he could just be backed up ( ... )

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krystalphoenix November 28 2010, 20:49:44 UTC
LJ is very useful~ I didn't realise that you were going for a really deep theme to your fic until I saw your post here, so I'm really glad I spotted it or I may have totally missed the undercurrent of your fic ( ... )

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kaisuopai November 28 2010, 21:29:29 UTC
No, it's not your fault - this fic is starting off a little slowly, and I'm not the most...subtle of writers, so I either tend to dump in too many hints or too few. But a lot of things should be clear by ch. 5.

Yeah, there's a question I can't seem to get cleared up in my mind about deletion. If death, or anything, is reversible, does life necessarily become cheap as a result? If you could have a backup of your best friend to go back to whenever he did something you didn't like, is that a true friendship? And does it matter if you choose to never use that backup option?

The pet analogy is...well, a little disturbing to me, since I prefer to think of custom Navis as, if not human, than equally conscious and self-aware as a human. In that view, frivolously modifying, or treating the Navi as a pet, would be wrong in the same way that forcing a human - or even a self-aware alien species! - into the role of a pet is wrong. Consciousness should count for something.

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kaisuopai November 28 2010, 20:34:17 UTC
Whoa, wait

The manga actually acknowledged that Rockman was Saito? When did this happen?

Or was this one of those random comments that Miyuki just kinda...leaves out there?

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kaisuopai November 28 2010, 20:44:24 UTC
Oh hey, Battle Story!

I'm currently taking Japanese, although...it's a little difficult for me to read. I'll try to keep this in mind, though :o

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cxrdevil November 28 2010, 22:24:38 UTC
PREACH! I'm really enjoying this post.

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1/2 anonymous May 30 2011, 19:50:37 UTC
I had college! ;_; but now I can tl;dr! 8D Even though I don't know if anyone will even reply to this, considering it's been about half a year since this was posted ( ... )

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