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robin_d_laws December 4 2009, 16:21:05 UTC
The coin thing is not toying with his victims?

I'm not sure I agree with you a hundred percent on your police work, there, Lou.

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cheetahmaster December 4 2009, 14:40:52 UTC
...wow. Well done.

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nobloghere December 4 2009, 14:47:58 UTC
So according to your thesis, Hudsucker Proxy isn't actually a Coen Brothers' movie at all? I know I'm in the minority, but I quite liked it. :)

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robin_d_laws December 4 2009, 17:18:39 UTC
Obviously the chart is not telling us that it was secretly directed by Arthur Hiller.

But the film does play as a bid for popular success in which the Coens' hallmark tone and themes are jollied up. No doubt this is why Hudsucker defenders comprise a beleaguered lot.

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reverancepavane December 4 2009, 20:09:29 UTC

Well as one of the beleaguered lot, I'd argue that the Devil was actually present in the Hudsucker Proxy as Moses' opposition in the clock room.

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agrumer December 4 2009, 20:38:21 UTC
Yeah, I was about to say.

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kent_allard_jr December 4 2009, 15:00:36 UTC
Miller's Crossing is my favorite in the list (unsurprisingly), and I wouldn't say it flouts dramatic justice. It ends with the good-natured lug getting both the power and the girl, the ostensible hero succeeding in his efforts, and the true sociopaths (the Dane, Casper, Bernie) all coming to unpleasant ends. (Unless my understanding of dramatic justice is off.)

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robin_d_laws December 4 2009, 17:53:09 UTC
Your reading of Leo, and thus of the film's ending, is unusually sunny. As in The Glass Key (of which Miller's is an uncredited reimagining) the hero's ethos of absolute loyalty is shown to be admirable in the abstract but essentially misplaced. Leo's taking of Verna from Tom cynically flips the ending of the original, where the girl chooses love for the hero over an alliance with the more powerful older man.

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kent_allard_jr December 4 2009, 18:19:08 UTC
I'm not sure the loyalty was misplaced. While Leo is a mobster, he's part of a corrupt system that Tom has no ability to reform or replace (bringing to mind the end of The Thin Man, book version). Given the choices, Leo is better than the unstable Casper, and Tom's loyalty isn't misplaced at all (Leo's happy to forgive and forget Tom's betrayal, which Tom, in a last act of loyalty, refuses). I understand it's not the only reading, but I think it's a valid one.

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leemoyer December 5 2009, 00:42:58 UTC
You're a man of nice judgment. Clearly you and Tom both know what evils lurk in the heart...

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armadillo_king December 4 2009, 17:23:24 UTC
Interesting analysis.

On a related issue, how does the prologue relate to the rest of A Serious Man?

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robin_d_laws December 4 2009, 17:54:08 UTC
You can't have a Job story without the devil -- even if he only shows up looking for a bowl of soup.

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armadillo_king December 4 2009, 19:38:25 UTC
And to appear in the guise of a serious man as he seduces your wife and slanders you before the tenure committee.

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agrumer December 4 2009, 20:42:55 UTC
The central dramatic issue in the prologue: Is Fyvush Finkel's character (whose name escapes me) alive or dead?

What Larry Gopnik is doing the first time we see him: Expounding upon the story of Schrödinger's Cat.

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