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Jan 03, 2008 19:28

christianity in its core form has this one unrealistic doctrine, which I just last week realized that it has. as far as I know, each denomination of christianity has within it this belief ( Read more... )

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nonentityb January 4 2008, 17:24:02 UTC
it assumes with all evidence to the contrary that every person could potentially get salvaged and saved. that includes bodies, spirits and souls.

Uh, no, sorry, it doesn't. That definitely isn't a belief in all forms of Christianity. See, for instance, the Jehovah's Witnesses (only 144,000 will be saved, everyone else is fucked). OR even more importantly, see the works of John Calvin and the doctrine of Election (in other words, not everyone can, will or should be saved, just a few choice ones God has picked out). Calvinism is significant for being the foundation of the most prominent forms of Protestantism throughout its history. And there's even more where that came from. Not to mention, Christ never really said anything like that in the Bible. So, as nice as that might refect on Christianity, that definitely isn't an idea universal among all Christians.

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2 cents. glastraum January 4 2008, 22:04:22 UTC
im no theologian, but i think the keyword in your quotation is: potentially.

i think christianity as a whole is founded upon the idea of its followers having the potential of being saved. even in the case of jehovahs witnesses, there is the potential of being one of the 144,000. with predestination, there is also the potential of being one of the few saved.

i mean, if there was no chance of salvation, why would people join any church? also, youre not taking into account the idea of individual psychologies. even if there were a christian church that stressed that specific "so and sos" were predestined (and all others were not), people may choose to join because they have a belief that they can change the canon.

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Re: 2 cents. ria777 January 4 2008, 22:35:27 UTC
I actually think that if you set up a church that said no one alive has any chance of salvation, people would still join. one, to gloat at the other sorry suckers (like the Westboro Baptist Church does), two, everyone who thought they had a fantastic loophole. which you maybe just said when you said, "change the canon"?

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Re: 2 cents. glastraum January 7 2008, 15:16:52 UTC
yes.

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