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psychochicken October 12 2008, 16:50:02 UTC
Problem with making art specifically about yourself: If you don't do it *bloody well* nobody else will see anything in it because they don't know you.

My other main issue with Emin's work (although it's not just her, to be honest - it's most of the current crop of contemporary artsits) is that it's a mixture of messages so blatent it's offensive; and so subtle they're invisible and in all likelihood imposed by a critic or writer rather than the artist herself. I mean, if you're going to do a piece on gender, sex and abortion, one would like to think a world class artist would be able to come up with better than a bunch of explict drawings of genetalia; or as a tribute to Munch's Scream, perhaps more interesting or subtle than a video of yourself literally screaming on a bridge....?

Maybe it's just me.

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rhythmaning October 12 2008, 17:03:49 UTC
Yes, I'm with you there: I remember when I first saw "My Bed" at the Tate in the 1990s, I thought - as most others did - "I could do that!" hearing the story made sense of it - but frankly, I'm not sure I needed the installation: the concept - the idea - and the story were sufficient. So without knowing Emin, it made no sense; and knowing (a little bit) about her made sense of the art, but didn't necessarily make it "good" art. I just understood more its creation.

And there is something a bit weird in objecting (as I see it) to objectification of women - and yet having photographs of your breasts all over the place.

I wasn't sure if one's gender made a difference to the way one saw the show: the extent to which the art was gender-specific. Perhaps if I had been raped, had an abortion, been depressed, I might have perceived the work in a different way. (In which case, I'm rather glad not to have fully experienced the work!)

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psychochicken October 12 2008, 17:52:19 UTC
I think the 'I could do that' is one of the most important and most misinterpreted messages of modern art. The correct answer to that response is 'yes, you can. Now go do it.' I certainly don't think there's much in *my* art that anyone with a bit of practice and maybe some basic training couldn't do themselves. Fact is, most people just don't make art ( ... )

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rhythmaning October 12 2008, 19:40:57 UTC
My response to the "I could do that!" debate is "Yes, but you didn't and they did - it was their idea!" The ideas are important to me - the act of having the idea is more about the art than actually making it for "conceptual art", I think.

I do agree that everyone sees things differently - I am sure one's response to art is bound up in our view of ourselves.

(My brother told me the other day that he thinks some of the things I say in my journal are pretentious. I can't think why...)

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