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Apr 01, 2017 15:35

I am insanely bothered by a throw-away line in The Originals in which "Teutoburg" is explained as a reference to a "battle in which the bad guys surprised the good guys ( Read more... )

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mareen April 1 2017, 13:46:46 UTC

It's not just you. Just hearing it is bothering me. Fighting an invading army is not being 'the bad guys'.

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rheasilvia April 1 2017, 13:57:40 UTC
It's so bizarre - it doesn't even seem like an ordinary case of research fail. Just, WTF?

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trobadora April 1 2017, 14:19:36 UTC
"battle in which the bad guys surprised the good guys"

WTF WTF WTF.

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rheasilvia April 1 2017, 14:24:15 UTC
I know, right??? The only explanation I can come up with is that Germans are always the bad guys, no matter what.

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trobadora April 1 2017, 14:47:36 UTC
You know, back in 2011 the Eagle of the Ninth movie cast Americans as Romans, and right now I just want to send them a very belated thank you note.

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rheasilvia April 1 2017, 16:10:44 UTC
For casting Americans as Romans...?

This reminds me I have yet to see that movie. :-)

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amnisias April 2 2017, 10:21:51 UTC
Have a little bit of faith - Niklaus was probably at the battle (never reject a meal ticket) and knows something we don't. ;)

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rheasilvia April 3 2017, 00:54:31 UTC
I'm afraid I have no faith to give to this show, and the circumstances of the battle in question are absurdly unambiguous - to the point that this isn't even explicable as a case of ordinary research fail.

You may quibble over the motivation and/or moral character of individual players in the historical events in question, but it is impossible to characterize an army invading / occupying a foreign land for profit and power as "the good guys", and the locals fighting back against the invaders as "the bad guys". Unless, of course, certain nationalities are always automatically deemed the bad guys no matter what, which is pretty much the only explanation that I can come up with at all.

(It was a very young vampire who came out with the line in question, BTW, and the Original's enemies who came up with the code.)

ETA: It's kind of like saying "Spartacus - yeah, that was where the bad guys rebelled against the good guys."

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amnisias April 3 2017, 09:52:50 UTC
I guess that settles it - I was considering picking up The Originals (I never made it past the first episode) now that The Vampire Diaries have ended, but it looks like it did not improve much since then.

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rheasilvia April 3 2017, 10:17:56 UTC
The Originals has kept pretty steadily to its level from the start, I would say. What you see is what you get...

I should say, though, that (with the exception of this bizarre throw-away line) the problems I have with The Originals are the exact same problems I had with Vampire Diaries. If you liked TVD, it may be worth giving TO another shot.

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