the other part of it's for you

[reflectedeve]

I've been home and on the internet for about half an hour as of starting this post, and I already feel as though my head is going to explode from rage. The warnings wank seems to have expanded its borders to include more general areas of fandom, and the ugliness is greatly increased for me by virtue of the fact that it's now coming from people I'

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[ali_wildgoose]

Is there a list somewhere of what things in particular authors should make sure to warn for? Some are obvious (rape, for instance) but I always worry I'm missing something big. :/

That said: I also find the offended reactions of some to be insane and inexcusable. I'm not even a survivor and I want to be warned if a fic will contain a graphic, violent rape scene. It's just COMMON COURTESY. O_o

[reflectedeve]

There isn't one that I know of; I'm sure there are people who would be willing to make one up, but it would of course vary. There does seem to be some level of common consensus in most of the circles I'm in (I've listed some of those subjects above - things like rape, abuse and self-harm), and I've also seen people urging simply that ficcers be willing to add warnings if requested to do so by a reader. (I think this whole thing was begun by an instance of such. The author in question actually did add the warning--she didn't entirely agree with it, but was still willing since people felt strongly--but other people took offense to the asking.)

You would think, wouldn't you? I think I said earlier: if the artistic integrity of your fanfiction is more important to you than someone else's mental and emotional wellbeing (to a significant degree, not momentary discomfort), I'm pretty sure there's something wrong.

Your attitude, on the other hand, is a great example of what I'd like to be able to expect from fandom. ♥

[doro_chan]

No, there's no definitive list anywhere. But I followed a few discussions on fanficrants ( an example) on the topic, and these are some of the more common ones:

- rape, sexual violence and abuse
- mpreg (despite not being a trigger and more of a squick, most people agree on that)
- character death (this is personal, because it can actually be a trigger for me)
- detailed depiction of psychological illness (depression, self harm) and suicide, especially if it's very realistic
- detailed depiction of physical illness (like cancer)

And many people would actually settle for "I chose not to warn and this fic might contain disturbing content" or something similar as a warning, if the author doesn't want to be specific. You often don't even have to warn for detailed depiction of an illness because it's part of the summary.

Feel free to add/correct me if I'm wrong.

[quiet000001]

I just wanted to add that I also think it's perfectly fine to just SAY in the headers "I'm not sure how to warn for this, please let me know if I've missed something/feel free to ask if you need to know about a specific issue."

And then just don't be nasty if someone points out in a comment that you missed something, or that X event could be interpreted in Y way that didn't occur to you, so might need a warning.

(For the record, I personally also agree with the inclusion of character death, as it's also a major trigger for me. I have no problems clicking through to hidden warnings or something, though, if the author feels putting a death warning in the headers would spoil the story.)

[rhipowered]

I have determined that the reason people don't want to cut things is because to THEM, it gets them off, and therefore it's a thinking with your dick sort of thing. 'If it gets me off, it can't be so wrong.'

Which is twisted, but it's the same old justification, really, people talking themselves into feeling better about something that's morally dubious at best.

It has absolutely nothing to do with 'artistic integrity'. That is a massive load of bullshit with a side order of douchebaggery.

[reflectedeve]

Yeah. :/ Ugh. It was just so much easier to accept all this when it was people I didn't know or already disliked.

[sae]

Wow.

Just, wow.

You know I don't browse fandom space anymore, so maybe my attitude is dated... but I would think that "please put a content warning on that incestuous rape fic, I found it highly upsetting" would merit an "okay, will do" and THE CONVERSATION ENDS. PERIOD.

No wonder you're awash with rage. *hugs* That is just... god.

+1

[alexmegami]

And that's all I really have to say, as someone who used to (and if I were still involved in any fandoms, still would) actively seek out such fic.

Re: +1

[reflectedeve]

♥

I have no issue with anyone's writing kinks or taste in fic, but if reading the material could legitimately harm someone, I want to see them given the chance to protect themselves. Almost everybody wins, that way, and I really don't have much respect for the folks who claim they'd lose.

[reflectedeve]

*sigh* The (not so) funny thing is: that is exactly what went down with the author of the fic that started this. Someone asked her to put a content warning on it, and she did. (No fuss; some mild discussion of differing definitions, but she was really nice about the whole thing.) Other people ran with it in a completely idiotic direction, and now it's a giant clusterfuck. >:(

[cool_rain_kiss]

This is the stupidest wank I've ever seen in my life. But ty so much for making this post, bb. &you;

[reflectedeve]

It's certainly getting to me more than most. And NO U. ♥

[elucidate_this]

&you;

♥ ♥ ♥

[reflectedeve]

No u. ♥♥♥