(1) Oh a definite ten. Oddly enough, I wasn't upset by this, it just made me totally, totally, mad at the writers. They made us (and everyone on screen for that matter) suffer for a whole episode. All that tooing and froing with the storyline gives me a headache too
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Thanks for the great recap, samantilles! *passes you more tissues*
Heh, good point about trialling the hand device on smaller injuries first. She could just hang around with Siler for a week or two... I guess Sam has issues with using it, though - not wanting to / not being able to access what Jolinar left, not wanting to make things worse, not wanting to become an NID guinea pig... so she'd only try in the most terminal of circumstances. Plus it's about as bad as the third zat setting, as plot devices go. *handwave, handwave*
I'm not sure Sam definitely mistook Daniel's assent/lack of assent to the procedure - I think that's interpretable, and personally I saw it as Daniel conveying it was okay. YMMV, but he's never been scared of experimenting (vis. the "touch it and see what happens" Daniel method of off-world exploration).
1. To be honest, I'm relatively hard-hearted towards this ep. I mean, Daniel dies such a lot. Yes, usually he doesn't have whole episodes based around it (well, except Fire and Water, kinda), but still... Sorry. *g* It
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episodes title meridian ...quarryquestOctober 6 2009, 19:00:23 UTC
Can I quote myself from my up and coming meta?
The title of the episode is actually telling us a lot about what is going on. For a while the word Meridiandid make me scratch my head but then I consulted sources; Wikipedia wasn't much help on the matter this time throwing up complicated Astronomy and Geography definitions, nor did the Oxford English Dictionary give me what I wanted. I ended up using Wordweb which is the freeware dictionary/thesaurus which I have installed on my computers to help this poor dyslexic when she is writing. What THAT said made a bit more sense
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Re: episodes title meridian ...pepper_fieldOctober 6 2009, 19:55:04 UTC
Ah - yes, I was thinking the meridian line making the second-least sense (with Meridian, Mississippi taking first place), but yes - as a dividing line between here and there, it makes sense. Ta!
Re: episodes title meridian ...kalquessaOctober 7 2009, 22:03:30 UTC
Oh yay, I always wondered about this title but never remembered to actually look anything up to see if I could figure out what they were trying to say with it.
I'm going to step up and give three or four cheers for Sam, though, whose heart was clearly breaking and reacted in delightfully Sam-like fashion. It is so Sam to step away from emotional heartbreak and try to bury herself in science. And when that distraction doesn't work, oh man, her goodbye to Daniel absolutely breaks my heart.
And Teal'c! ::wails:: Tell me how CJ can show more emotion with that little temple tic than most people can with full-blown tantrums, please? His goodbye was utterly perfect.
One of my favorite bits is Jack controlling the desire to stuff the "formal apology" down Jonas' throat and saying what Daniel would say in those circumstances. Ah, Jack.
Regarding Sam and Jacob and the healing device. Gotta say that I saw that little wincing smile of Daniel's and that nod as approval. Of course the healing device isn't going to be pulled out for a splinter; it's tech they haven't mastered, that no one outside Sam can even use, and you don't play games with something like that. Aside from
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The approval/grimace of the healing device can totally go both ways, but for me, I always thought that by then Daniel had already come to terms with his death (as he clearly pointed out reciting how he's going to die bluntly to Jack) and not asking for special treatment and that the healing device might just prolong his suffering. I think his approval would have been more for Sam and Janet so that they could assuage their later guilt that they tried absolutely everything more than having the hope it would save him. And I completely agree with you that I don't think the healing device would ever have fully worked.
I always thought that by then Daniel had already come to terms with his death
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"Don't you ever give up?"
"Not until I'm dead... and sometimes, not even then."
Recognizing that he's going to die is NOT the same thing as giving up. Ever. I absolutely would not see Daniel thinking, "Oh, this isn't going to work, but I'll suffer agonies just to make Sam and Janet feel worse better when they try it and it just sends me into a seizure."
As others have noted below, we do seem to be watching different eps. Or possibly just different focus on the ep? Hard to say. :)
And Teal'c! ::wails:: Tell me how CJ can show more emotion with that little temple tic than most people can with full-blown tantrums, please? His goodbye was utterly perfect.
Teal'c is and always will be awesome and CJ is awesome for making him that way. (It's always so weird to see the actor at Comic Con or on interviews because he's such a goofball and totally acts like Shanks and Tapping's annoying kid brother, yet he is capable of portraying such gravity and grace. *hugs him*
1) 7. I love Daniel and he was my favourite character at the time I was busily catching up on S5 (while S7 was airing), but since I knew he'd be back, it didn't hit me the same way. I actually cry more at "Revelation" than at "Meridian". Sam wins my heart every. single. time. in her scene with Hammond, and later with Teal'c.
2) Awesome and touching, and definitely Jack's MO: make a quip to hide deeper emotions. If he'd said anything too emo, I would've started looking for an entry wound in the back of his neck!
3) Yes, because Daniel wanted to go. And I'm not fond of people suffering like that.
4) I think Hammond and Janet did, and maybe Nyan. No idea what they would have said, I'll leave that for people who want to write fic.
Sam wins my heart every. single. time. in her scene with Hammond, and later with Teal'c.
Oh, god, yes. Both for the bit of backstory we get about Hammond and for seeing how hard this is for everyone else. In a way it isn't Daniel who makes all this sad but everyone else. They lose him but with the weird glowy thing they don't really know if he's *gone* gone and there's no memorial service and no way to say good-bye and move on, and we see that the most with Sam, since Jack is master of locking things in boxes and pretending to ignore them and Teal'c copes in his own way and deals with the metaphysical better.
This is the part where I start crying in the episode, so if you see tear drops, don’t mind them! Aww!
While every Danny-whumper’s dream is beginning in gruesome detail I've got to admit, I may have to turn in my closet-Daniel whumper card because I mainly go eww and ack to Daniel's death by radiation. Poor Daniel
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I've got to admit, I may have to turn in my closet-Daniel whumper card because I mainly go eww and ack to Daniel's death by radiation. Me too! That was far too much for me. Perhaps that's why I don't have much to say about this ep.
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Heh, good point about trialling the hand device on smaller injuries first. She could just hang around with Siler for a week or two... I guess Sam has issues with using it, though - not wanting to / not being able to access what Jolinar left, not wanting to make things worse, not wanting to become an NID guinea pig... so she'd only try in the most terminal of circumstances. Plus it's about as bad as the third zat setting, as plot devices go. *handwave, handwave*
I'm not sure Sam definitely mistook Daniel's assent/lack of assent to the procedure - I think that's interpretable, and personally I saw it as Daniel conveying it was okay. YMMV, but he's never been scared of experimenting (vis. the "touch it and see what happens" Daniel method of off-world exploration).
1. To be honest, I'm relatively hard-hearted towards this ep. I mean, Daniel dies such a lot. Yes, usually he doesn't have whole episodes based around it (well, except Fire and Water, kinda), but still... Sorry. *g* It ( ... )
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The title of the episode is actually telling us a lot about what is going on. For a while the word Meridiandid make me scratch my head but then I consulted sources; Wikipedia wasn't much help on the matter this time throwing up complicated Astronomy and Geography definitions, nor did the Oxford English Dictionary give me what I wanted. I ended up using Wordweb which is the freeware dictionary/thesaurus which I have installed on my computers to help this poor dyslexic when she is writing. What THAT said made a bit more sense ( ... )
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I'm going to step up and give three or four cheers for Sam, though, whose heart was clearly breaking and reacted in delightfully Sam-like fashion. It is so Sam to step away from emotional heartbreak and try to bury herself in science. And when that distraction doesn't work, oh man, her goodbye to Daniel absolutely breaks my heart.
And Teal'c! ::wails:: Tell me how CJ can show more emotion with that little temple tic than most people can with full-blown tantrums, please? His goodbye was utterly perfect.
One of my favorite bits is Jack controlling the desire to stuff the "formal apology" down Jonas' throat and saying what Daniel would say in those circumstances. Ah, Jack.
Regarding Sam and Jacob and the healing device. Gotta say that I saw that little wincing smile of Daniel's and that nod as approval. Of course the healing device isn't going to be pulled out for a splinter; it's tech they haven't mastered, that no one outside Sam can even use, and you don't play games with something like that. Aside from ( ... )
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::blink blink::
"Don't you ever give up?"
"Not until I'm dead... and sometimes, not even then."
Recognizing that he's going to die is NOT the same thing as giving up. Ever. I absolutely would not see Daniel thinking, "Oh, this isn't going to work, but I'll suffer agonies just to make Sam and Janet feel worse better when they try it and it just sends me into a seizure."
As others have noted below, we do seem to be watching different eps. Or possibly just different focus on the ep? Hard to say. :)
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Teal'c is and always will be awesome and CJ is awesome for making him that way. (It's always so weird to see the actor at Comic Con or on interviews because he's such a goofball and totally acts like Shanks and Tapping's annoying kid brother, yet he is capable of portraying such gravity and grace. *hugs him*
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2) Awesome and touching, and definitely Jack's MO: make a quip to hide deeper emotions. If he'd said anything too emo, I would've started looking for an entry wound in the back of his neck!
3) Yes, because Daniel wanted to go. And I'm not fond of people suffering like that.
4) I think Hammond and Janet did, and maybe Nyan. No idea what they would have said, I'll leave that for people who want to write fic.
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Oh, god, yes. Both for the bit of backstory we get about Hammond and for seeing how hard this is for everyone else. In a way it isn't Daniel who makes all this sad but everyone else. They lose him but with the weird glowy thing they don't really know if he's *gone* gone and there's no memorial service and no way to say good-bye and move on, and we see that the most with Sam, since Jack is master of locking things in boxes and pretending to ignore them and Teal'c copes in his own way and deals with the metaphysical better.
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Me too! That was far too much for me. Perhaps that's why I don't have much to say about this ep.
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