What ever happened to doing the right thing?

[reality_hammer]

I'm appalled at the number of people who think the United States should leave Iraq simply because there is a lot of violence there

Comments

[gmudemocrat]

I agree. In fact, when the war started, I was against it, but after reading more on it, plus the fact that we are there, I changed my mind and became pro-war. Naturally I think that sort of thing is acceptable. However, for someone (and nearly the whole nation was) to be pro-war before and when it started but then years later when, oh, what a surprise, a flourishing democracy did not emerge overnight just sounds ridiculous to me. I hate it when people say things that make it sound like every life is not a valuable one, but quite frankly, if there were tons of WMDs and such in Saddam's hands like we all though, then there would have been far more than around 3,000 American deaths in the first hours of the conflict

[silverlightstar]

You can't support a war then change your mind because you forgot that war is not a glamorous thing.

Thank you, thank you, thank you (!!!!) for saying that. This Marine's wife salutes you. *salute*

[megd]

I vote we abandon Detroit, New Orleans and Philidelphia to their own devices. Build giant walls around them and just leave them.

But that's just me.

[thats___amore]

can't forget baltimore! and detroit!

[megd]

I thought further.

Let's build a wall around Arkansas. We've seen what comes out of there.

[thats___amore]

the clintons.... and ....
http://www.duggarfamily.com/

they have 17 kids.

yeah, getting rid of arkansas may be a good idea.

Re: From where I sit

[reality_hammer]

After the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan we didn't stick around.

The Taliban were created by the Pakistani secret police. While they may share membership with various Muhajadeen groups, they did not arise from the Muhajadeen.

In fact, the Northern Alliance, which fought the Taliban, have more of a claim to be the follow-on to the Muhajadeen.

As for the liberation or Iraq, it was a cake walk. For some reason people forgot what it takes to convert a totalitarian country to a democracy. That is where the problems have arisen.

Re: From where I sit

[centerman]

For some reason people forgot what it takes to convert a totalitarian country to a democracy. That is where the problems have arisen.You are sorely missing the mark here. Nobody "forgot" anything

Re: From where I sit

[darthbeckman]

Well said.

Iraq, Isolationism, Etc.

[authentichris]

I don't know what to do in Iraq at this point; I really don't. I think that if we are going to remain, we have to change tactics; if we're not going to have the stomach for viciousness, and to meet force with force, we need to leave. I don't think that we owe it to the Iraquis to rebuild their country; they've never been a trading partner, andlike Russia, they don't have the institutional democracy that places like Belgium, Germany, and England had. Even a rebuilt iraq can be democratic and oppose us with ferocity.

but we're there. What to do?

1.) Declare victory, offer the opportunity for democracy, and leave.

2.) Go after Syria/ Iran and destroy its infrastructure.

3.) Stay with the resolve to give no quarter to the enemy, to have no sacred area, and to be as vicious as necessary to FORCE the enemy into submission, and then to rebuild them from there to be a relevant force.

4.) Leave Bagdhad, go to the borders and blast the hell out of anything that comes in, let the insurgency die a slow death, then take above steps.

[witteafval]

I know this is old history, but I take heart in this