It's the only way I could buy that final scene in Dean's head. Dean defends John as easily as he breathes and it was like someone flipped an off-switch on that. I got that it was emotional, and charged - and if it had been written by anyone else I might have let it go, but...
But how much did you love Bobby? That last "check yer pockets" moment was hysterical. Its like the Winchester collective IQ drops fifty points when they're around him - they go back to being little kids (which feeds into the "like a father" bit, I guess, and wow, is that another treatise...).
And Bela, Christo, there was a lot crammed into this episode - surprised they managed to fit a bad guy in there somewhere.
LMAO - obviously not the reading I'd intended, but if that's what Id!fan sees....
Oh, Bela - if Red Sky hadn't happened I might not have so many problems with her. I certainly dig the, um, effect she's having on the Winchesters, but for a character... I dunno, she's getting better (kinda) but, really?
I know, leave it to me. But then my mind does spend a lot of time in the gutter.
Bela really just annoys me anymore. At first I was willing to give both characters a shot. I was really prepared to hate Ruby with a passion just based on Katie Cassidy interviews she did the summer before. I actually like Ruby and think Katie is doing a good job. Maybe the character of Bela would be better if a better actress were playing her? I don't know. She doesn't really seem to have a purpose either. They just keep forcing her on us and I just can't buy that she's "needed". I can kind of see needing Ruby, to some extent. That girl also has NO chemistry with either boy. None whatsoever. And I think that really hurts the show too.
I do however like Bela just because she thinks she and Dean should have angry sex. I'm all for that. BRING IT ON!!
I think Bela would have been better if they hadn't ever tried to make her sympathetic, just flawed. Red Sky was just bad - all around. I was neutral after Bad Day, HATED her after Red Sky, although I'll admit I did like her reaction when she realized Dean wasn't kidding about hunting her down in Fresh Blood.
My real issue is that the collective Winchester IQ drops every time she's around. An since Bobby was there too, that meant they were working with the mental capacity of a five-year-old. I don't like it when they write the boys stupid.
I mean, seriously? A standard safe? The fuck, boys...
Heh icon love. But yeah. I see that throwback aspect - it's why those were the words that were used to wound - they're the ones that cut the deepest. And you're right they're not rational, but what in that dream-state was?
But I don't think they're open sores anymore, not the way they were last season, and maybe not in the way that you mean. Killing the YED, seeing his father out of Hell, that healed Dean on a lot of levels.
And to add another layer of confusion - what if Id!Dean threwback to John because of habit. When Dean has issues he expresses them in terms of Dad, not himself.
Dear God - Even Dean's repressions are even repressed.
I really need to go and watch that scene again (and the entire episode, I missed the first half), because with everything that was happening I think I missed something and really want to pick it apart.
Heh. I can't take credit for anything artistic and techy like an icon, but it gives me a giggle, too. (It was made by iicons_are_love and this one is by keb91.)
No, I agree with you that they're not open wounds; he's been coming to grips with John's less praiseworthy aspects (BDABR, for example), and it's *easier* than it was. Plus, Dean's has always been the one who makes the best out of what he has. He makes do, and he doesn't get upset or bent out of joint about it (certainly not in the way Sam does). But all of our Ids crave a little indulgence and a little comfort, and in both Dean's deeper psyche, as well as in his outwardly hedonistic demeanor, Dean is substituting the here-and-now for the past he didn't get to keep and the future he fears he'll never have.
I also love that there's still a little tiny piece of anger at John over Mary--the words he uses are that John "let Mom die," like John could have done anything about it. Dean's own image of Mary as a perfect mother really compounds here with John's (and Dean's) reluctance to talk about what
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But how much did you love Bobby? That last "check yer pockets" moment was hysterical. Its like the Winchester collective IQ drops fifty points when they're around him - they go back to being little kids (which feeds into the "like a father" bit, I guess, and wow, is that another treatise...).
And Bela, Christo, there was a lot crammed into this episode - surprised they managed to fit a bad guy in there somewhere.
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And really, she might be. Who knows. That bitch could be sick and twisted.
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Oh, Bela - if Red Sky hadn't happened I might not have so many problems with her. I certainly dig the, um, effect she's having on the Winchesters, but for a character... I dunno, she's getting better (kinda) but, really?
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Bela really just annoys me anymore. At first I was willing to give both characters a shot. I was really prepared to hate Ruby with a passion just based on Katie Cassidy interviews she did the summer before. I actually like Ruby and think Katie is doing a good job. Maybe the character of Bela would be better if a better actress were playing her? I don't know. She doesn't really seem to have a purpose either. They just keep forcing her on us and I just can't buy that she's "needed". I can kind of see needing Ruby, to some extent. That girl also has NO chemistry with either boy. None whatsoever. And I think that really hurts the show too.
I do however like Bela just because she thinks she and Dean should have angry sex. I'm all for that. BRING IT ON!!
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My real issue is that the collective Winchester IQ drops every time she's around. An since Bobby was there too, that meant they were working with the mental capacity of a five-year-old. I don't like it when they write the boys stupid.
I mean, seriously? A standard safe? The fuck, boys...
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But I don't think they're open sores anymore, not the way they were last season, and maybe not in the way that you mean. Killing the YED, seeing his father out of Hell, that healed Dean on a lot of levels.
And to add another layer of confusion - what if Id!Dean threwback to John because of habit. When Dean has issues he expresses them in terms of Dad, not himself.
Dear God - Even Dean's repressions are even repressed.
I really need to go and watch that scene again (and the entire episode, I missed the first half), because with everything that was happening I think I missed something and really want to pick it apart.
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No, I agree with you that they're not open wounds; he's been coming to grips with John's less praiseworthy aspects (BDABR, for example), and it's *easier* than it was. Plus, Dean's has always been the one who makes the best out of what he has. He makes do, and he doesn't get upset or bent out of joint about it (certainly not in the way Sam does). But all of our Ids crave a little indulgence and a little comfort, and in both Dean's deeper psyche, as well as in his outwardly hedonistic demeanor, Dean is substituting the here-and-now for the past he didn't get to keep and the future he fears he'll never have.
I also love that there's still a little tiny piece of anger at John over Mary--the words he uses are that John "let Mom die," like John could have done anything about it. Dean's own image of Mary as a perfect mother really compounds here with John's (and Dean's) reluctance to talk about what ( ... )
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Which will make facinating watching when Dean finds out the other reason Sam want Ruby around is to find out how she knew the YED.
Really hope the writer's strike doesn't screw that plotline up too much...
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