Grief Portrayed in Deathly Hallows ~ Some Just Don't Understand

[rattlesnakeroot]

We've all seen some of the extremely sick and judgmental comments about Snape's display of grief for Lily as seen in Deathly Hallows Part Two. But why are people so quick to say that his grief is "different" from Harry's for Dobby or Ron's for his brother Fred? In the book, there is no real difference

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[wobblerlorri]

I KNOW!!!!!!!!!!! The people who say Severus "has no right" to hold Lily or is "sneaking creepily" into the house in Godric's Hollow either have never lost someone they loved, and so have no connection to deep, all encompassing grief, or they are so blinded by their hatred for Snape that they can't let him be a human being, with human emotions.

I just want to go upside their heads with something large, hard, and studded with nails sometimes. Severus has every right to be destroyed over Lily's death, and to mourn her, and yes, to clutch her to him and wail, keen, shriek in abject desolation

[anonymous]

"Who cares if baby Harry is crying in the background? "

That kind of says it all, doesn't it?

[rattlesnakeroot]

That scene in DH takes just a couple of seconds. No babies were harmed in the making of the film. Baby Harry is safely in the crib - take your blinders off.

The point of that scene is that Harry and Snape are both grieving the same way over the dead Lily. I'm sure you can't grasp that fact, since you are one of the sick people I'm referring to in my post. You just don't get it. You ought to be ashamed of yourself, but you're not.

[wobblerlorri]

Actually, at 1 year of age, Harry is just crying out of fear and confusion. He hasn't processed his mother is dead, just that she's lying on the ground, some strange man has come in, and is crying over his mother.

But yeah, Harry's safe, alive, and in his crib. He's crying, so he's okay. On to the people who aren't safe, alive, or okay.

[bnmc2005]

"Anonymous," this was a useless comment. If you have an argument, log in and explain it. At least engage in some thoughtful criticism anything else is just pointless trolling.

[kamion]

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JKR has said many times that her mother's death had a big impact on the way she wrote the books,...

I think that when JKR imagined grief for a dead one she pulled directly from her grief for her dead mother, seeing reasently her episode on ancesters it is still the mayor emotion in her life and I get the idea the writing of Harry Potter wasn't a catarsis large enough to get it out of her system.

so every grief showed or performed by Harry, Ron, mr Diggory or Snape is basicly JKR's grief relived. It is of a utter disrespect to the author herself to say Snape has no right to grief for Lilly
it is as saying JKR has no right to grief for the loss of her mother after so many years.

btw. Harry's grief over Cedric was better and stronger then the intension Harry's grief over Dobby had in the movie. no critic against Radcliffe's performance but that last one was hugging a paper doll.... you can go only so far in CGI and deep emotion is beyond it still.

[wimble_mimble]

I'm not sure I would go so far as to say that those who find Severus' grief over Lily's death are "like Voldemort" and unable to understand that sort of powerful emotion. I think it may be more of the fact that in the previous examples the relationship between the two people was either family or close friend. The fact that Severus had romantic feelings for Lily is, I think, what makes people feel a little creeped out that he would touch her after she had died

[snapes_witch]

I'm not sure I would go so far as to say that those who find Severus' grief over Lily's death are "like Voldemort" and unable to understand that sort of powerful emotion. I think it may be more of the fact that in the previous examples the relationship between the two people was either family or close friend. The fact that Severus had romantic feelings for Lily is, I think, what makes people feel a little creeped out that he would touch her after she had died.

Only to those who never liked Severus in the first place . . . otherwise I don't see why teen and young adult Sev having feelings for Lily is creepy. Some people appear to have difficulty separating the adult DE from the child. That's their problem not the character's.

[rattlesnakeroot]

I would say that Harry wasn't Cedric's close friend or family, and Snape had known Lily longer than Harry knew Dobby, yet Harry's reactions in the books and movies aren't seen as "creepy."

I see your point about my comparison to Voldemort, and maybe if I had one shred of respect left for the Snape-haters I might feel guilty about using that parallel. But right now, it seems like a fair comparison. If someone doesn't understand love, they don't understand it.

[anonymous]

Well it would seem the big difference in those pictures is that nobody is simply ignoring a distressed and crying chld behind them, sobbing his heart out. As one of your posters has already said, your attitude toward this infant would seem to be like that of your 'hero?'-'Who cares'. Well certainly not that particular poster. I think it is this attitude that leads some people to question your priorities. Some people just might look at this scene and think

[rattlesnakeroot]

On the contrary, Anonymous, that scene troubles me very deeply because two characters I care about are crying their hearts out. Nothing Snape could have done in that scene would have brought Lily back or comforted Harry any more.

Unfortunately, you think it is your mission from God to come here and tell us all what we think and what we SHOULD think. But I don't like that, so please just cut it out. You can state your opinion without warning me about what other people think - I couldn't care less what "some people" think. My mission in life is to ignore their mission in life.

distressed infant who can clearly see the bodies of his mother and fatherWrong ~ James is downstairs. Obviously Harry can see Lily, but the canon is that he didn't know or understand what happened to him. That's in the book and also in JKR's interviews. Go look it up

[rattlesnakeroot]

Also, think of the logic of what you are saying: Harry Potter, hero of his time, who survived everything that Voldemort threw at him for 17 years, but he could never get over the three minutes of crying in that crib at Godric's Hollow.

Ridiculous.

JKR said she wasn't sure what happened during the missing 24 hours, but Harry was probably fussed over as soon as Hagrid got to the castle with him. I'm sure that both Madam Pomfrey and Snape looked at that scar and tried various remedies. It is left up to our imaginations.

[bnmc2005]

JKR said she wasn't sure what happened during the missing 24 hours, but Harry was probably fussed over as soon as Hagrid got to the castle with him. I'm sure that both Madam Pomfrey and Snape looked at that scar and tried various remedies. It is left up to our imaginations.
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If JKR approved the script for this scene in DH II, then it seems she now acknowledges that Snape discovered the bodies first. Do we have any quotes to indicate that Hagrid took Harry from the house, or did he just see the wreckage later?

My thought is that Snape - after his moment of shock and grief - might have taken Harry out of there to Dumbledore.