I should have said! We're back in the past - possibly further along from Omega than the actual difference between seasons but still present-day. There's not very much reference to Epitaph One at all. A couple of things go zing! and some situations get introduced, but it's basically carrying on from the aired show.
Wait. What references to Epitaph One did you notice?
I was rather confused about the timeframe of the ep. One on hand, the intro scene with Topher picks right up from the last scene with Claire in "Omega." OTOH, Ballard and Echo's espionage operation had clearly taken quite a while to set up, and it hadn't been set up yet at the end of "Omega." So I'm just confused.
I got the feeling that Claire had been playing with Topher for a while - maybe taken a few months to work out what she wanted to do and then started acting on it. This was just all that coming to a head. Considering Victor's scars I assumed we were at least a few months after the end of Omega, maybe a couple more than the few between seasons.
And the Epitaph One references... Hmm, there was a moment where Topher says "I know what I know", ie. the line he becomes obsessed with when he goes insane. Then the whole Claire/Boyd scene had more at stake, I felt, considering we knew that they were eventually going to feel something for each other, though it would take a lot of time. And the headaches Echo gets as a consequence of remembering her separate selves seemed a little bit more sinister considering in this ep Paul made her remember things by beating her up while she was concussed.
the messing with Topher was inspired. Maybe she isn't ase (though it would fit her character build, Joss), but the way she was happy to divorce herself from her physical body to get a rise (heh) out of Topher said something very interesting about her character, I thought. It's like, as much as that body is hers, it's also a weapon to be used, something she knows she isn't part of. I want more Claire!!
She knows just what buttons of his to push even though he programmed her that way - or so he says.
Ballard's arc hasn't finished getting creepy, which is a cause for both yay! and er... . Because of course, beating the hell out of Echo to get the knife-wielding assassin is the best thing to do in any situation! As is hiring her out to do something you've always wanted in the first place. DeWitt, with her snazzy hairdo (and odd Victor inspection - bit indiscreet there??), knows, I think, exactly where Ballard's going (though I'm not sure I do He's definitely the fly in her web and the silk is rolling over and over him.
It would be interesting if he was the new Big Good because then we could watch them mess with his psyche.
Yes, I think I want this LOTS. Though the show didn't seem to want to show his perspective, only what the Dollhouse knows about him. Hopefully we'll find out more.
He's definitely the fly in her web and the silk is rolling over and over him.
I love that DeWitt is so clever. Love it love it love it.
AA was absolutely fantastic. I was mesmerized at points.
And so much to ponder from the conversations between 'Claire' and Topher. That he did program her to be repelled by his scent, to not be a 'yes woman' to his opinion, but not to hate him. She chose that on her own. From hints dropped, it's sounding more and more likely that they know each other from her pre-Whiskey days. Siblings, perhaps?
I do think that says something about Echo's (growing in my view) self-centredness.
LOL. I don't think it's that, but I don't think Joss anticipated that the stories of the other dolls would be as intriguing if not more so than Echo's own. But at least he had the foresight to call it Dollhouse and not Echo.
YES. The moment that sticks in my mind is when she asks Boyd his motives. Her "there's no judging in the Dollhouse" chilled me to the bone.
From hints dropped, it's sounding more and more likely that they know each other from her pre-Whiskey days. Siblings, perhaps?
I still love the idea that Whiskey's original self is the personality he put in Sierra that time to play (in Haunted). I lean more towards BFFs than siblings, but I'm with you that it really feels like something's there.
I don't think Joss anticipated that the stories of the other dolls would be as intriguing if not more so than Echo's own
So true! But there are the people in the house as well and they were interesting from Day 1. Maybe I'm making it up, but I thought the convention was to put clips of the people with their actor names (so people could tell who they were!). Hmm...
Great set of reactions. Ballard's story is so creepy it's great. I'm right there with you on wanting to see just how creeply they can go with him. It will be interesting to see how the new Big Good's story unfolds -- the possibility for illuminating contrast is huge.
Love the idea of Topher having some connection to pre-Whiskey. Any chance Topher is sleeping in the DH *because* the magnitude of what he's been doing has begun to sink in? I love that he starts off the episode in pretty bad shape... it picks up from the obvious impact Victor-as-Dominic had on him. Anyway, he's sleep-deprived and on an edge.
And I still can't care about Caroline/Echo. Not a bit.
Ah! I should have guessed that one, it being a season opener and everything. I still had an interview in my brain where he was waxing lyrical about the new additions to his team. Well done him, anyway, because it was very pretty.
I'm right there with you on wanting to see just how creeply they can go with him.
I love that he's basically become a client, directed by DeWitt, because that's a perspective we didn't really have before. Every one of his nebulous desires is slowly becoming reality (and he wants more). And how much is the reason they're still together in Epitaph One that Caroline can't help but trust him?
Love the idea of Topher having some connection to pre-Whiskey. Any chance Topher is sleeping in the DH *because* the magnitude of what he's been doing has begun to sink in? I love that he starts off the episode in pretty bad shape... it picks up from the obvious impact Victor-as-Dominic had on him. Anyway, he's sleep-deprived and on an edge.Ooh, good points. And I wonder whether us seeing
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I was rather confused about the timeframe of the ep. One on hand, the intro scene with Topher picks right up from the last scene with Claire in "Omega." OTOH, Ballard and Echo's espionage operation had clearly taken quite a while to set up, and it hadn't been set up yet at the end of "Omega." So I'm just confused.
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And the Epitaph One references... Hmm, there was a moment where Topher says "I know what I know", ie. the line he becomes obsessed with when he goes insane. Then the whole Claire/Boyd scene had more at stake, I felt, considering we knew that they were eventually going to feel something for each other, though it would take a lot of time. And the headaches Echo gets as a consequence of remembering her separate selves seemed a little bit more sinister considering in this ep Paul made her remember things by beating her up while she was concussed.
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She knows just what buttons of his to push even though he programmed her that way - or so he says.
Ballard's arc hasn't finished getting creepy, which is a cause for both yay! and er... . Because of course, beating the hell out of Echo to get the knife-wielding assassin is the best thing to do in any situation! As is hiring her out to do something you've always wanted in the first place. DeWitt, with her snazzy hairdo (and odd Victor inspection - bit indiscreet there??), knows, I think, exactly where Ballard's going (though I'm not sure I do
He's definitely the fly in her web and the silk is rolling over and over him.
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Yes, I think I want this LOTS. Though the show didn't seem to want to show his perspective, only what the Dollhouse knows about him. Hopefully we'll find out more.
He's definitely the fly in her web and the silk is rolling over and over him.
I love that DeWitt is so clever. Love it love it love it.
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And so much to ponder from the conversations between 'Claire' and Topher. That he did program her to be repelled by his scent, to not be a 'yes woman' to his opinion, but not to hate him. She chose that on her own. From hints dropped, it's sounding more and more likely that they know each other from her pre-Whiskey days. Siblings, perhaps?
I do think that says something about Echo's (growing in my view) self-centredness.
LOL. I don't think it's that, but I don't think Joss anticipated that the stories of the other dolls would be as intriguing if not more so than Echo's own. But at least he had the foresight to call it Dollhouse and not Echo.
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YES. The moment that sticks in my mind is when she asks Boyd his motives. Her "there's no judging in the Dollhouse" chilled me to the bone.
From hints dropped, it's sounding more and more likely that they know each other from her pre-Whiskey days. Siblings, perhaps?
I still love the idea that Whiskey's original self is the personality he put in Sierra that time to play (in Haunted). I lean more towards BFFs than siblings, but I'm with you that it really feels like something's there.
I don't think Joss anticipated that the stories of the other dolls would be as intriguing if not more so than Echo's own
So true! But there are the people in the house as well and they were interesting from Day 1. Maybe I'm making it up, but I thought the convention was to put clips of the people with their actor names (so people could tell who they were!). Hmm...
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Love the idea of Topher having some connection to pre-Whiskey. Any chance Topher is sleeping in the DH *because* the magnitude of what he's been doing has begun to sink in? I love that he starts off the episode in pretty bad shape... it picks up from the obvious impact Victor-as-Dominic had on him. Anyway, he's sleep-deprived and on an edge.
And I still can't care about Caroline/Echo. Not a bit.
Joss was the director.
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Ah! I should have guessed that one, it being a season opener and everything. I still had an interview in my brain where he was waxing lyrical about the new additions to his team. Well done him, anyway, because it was very pretty.
I'm right there with you on wanting to see just how creeply they can go with him.
I love that he's basically become a client, directed by DeWitt, because that's a perspective we didn't really have before. Every one of his nebulous desires is slowly becoming reality (and he wants more). And how much is the reason they're still together in Epitaph One that Caroline can't help but trust him?
Love the idea of Topher having some connection to pre-Whiskey. Any chance Topher is sleeping in the DH *because* the magnitude of what he's been doing has begun to sink in? I love that he starts off the episode in pretty bad shape... it picks up from the obvious impact Victor-as-Dominic had on him. Anyway, he's sleep-deprived and on an edge.Ooh, good points. And I wonder whether us seeing ( ... )
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