☣ ninth story ( video → tl;dr ii )

Jul 05, 2011 10:30

( Greetings, fellow Gardeners. Ellie hasn't been around all that much, lately. When she hasn't been around Em, clinging and watching and hovering until either Em had to ask for space, or she had the need to break away and go back down into Hell. Any time that wasn't around Em was spent down there, far away from everyone ( Read more... )

mahalia de luca-serna, caprica-six, *vine, kazumi hagino, santana lopez, *video, sephiroth (final fantasy vii), vriska serket, emilia gorski, rico (original), ellie linton

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video; heretolookhot July 5 2011, 00:36:42 UTC
Or you're just thinking too hard.

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video; thinkbrave July 5 2011, 00:38:37 UTC
We've got brains for a reason, haven't we? Maybe you don't think enough.

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video; heretolookhot July 5 2011, 00:43:38 UTC
I've been trying to figure this place out since I got here. It's useless. Never gonna happen. The best I've got is that one of those crazies down at the Queen's asylum saying that he's Jesus actually was, and gave her psychobitch powers. And then she got bored of lesbian porn, so here we are.

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video; thinkbrave July 5 2011, 00:50:55 UTC
( Instead of arguing, she actually smiles - just a tiny bit. ) That could be it, for all we know.

Hey, you're from Earth, right? Is it one with magic or just... science and religion as the two big contenders?

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[video] alwaysricochets July 5 2011, 00:40:41 UTC
Believe in? Shit, I don't know. Never believed in much of nothing. Mom was Catholic, but I haven't seen eye-to-eye with the big padre for a long time. Hell, I've got a friend back home who thinks she's blessed by the Norse Gods. Who's to say she ain't right?

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[video] thinkbrave July 5 2011, 00:46:22 UTC
Not us, probably. ( She draws her knees up, eyeing Rico thoughtfully. ) I mean. People are biased based on their experiences, right? That doesn't make what we say or do or think right, though. Anyone can be right or anyone can be wrong.

( After all, to her, their country getting invaded was wrong. But it hadn't been their land, they'd just taken it from someone else. And the invaders, they thought they were doing what they needed to, as well. So who was to say who was right, and who was wrong? )

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[video] alwaysricochets July 5 2011, 01:13:31 UTC
Pretty much. In my line of work, I've seen that every asshole thinks they're doing the right thing, even if that means building a giant robot or raising the dead. Nobody wants to be the bad guy.

[Rico pauses, pulling out a cigarette and tapping it on the back of her hand.] No such thing as right and wrong, not really. You just do the best you can.

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[video] thinkbrave July 5 2011, 01:36:12 UTC
If they thought what they were doing was bad, they probably wouldn't do it. ( Well. No, actually, she revises that. )

People can do bad things and see they're bad, but if they're doing them and they see they're bad and not-- the right thing, then maybe they don't really want to be doing them. Or they'd prefer another option.

( God. It's a little much for her to get her head around, sometimes. She presses her lips together and scratches her jaw.

That last comment, though, wins a slight - very slight, barely there - smile. ) I had a friend who said that sometimes, you don't know if you're doing the right thing, but if you just keep trying your best to be perfect, maybe at the end of the day it'll add up. You'll have more right than you have wrong. I think she was talking about your actions in the eyes of God, but... it could kind of apply to anything.

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video; mellifluently July 5 2011, 00:45:56 UTC
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

[Murmured quietly. She thinks about trying to explain what she believes in, but it's really too vast and difficult to define. She's rather more concerned by Ellie's manner, anyway.]

Are you alright?

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video; thinkbrave July 5 2011, 00:55:57 UTC
( The murmur makes her look up sharply, and she's silent for a bit as she thinks it over. ) Yeah. That sounds about right. Who said that?

( She shrugs. ) I'm here. I've seen a whole lotta things back home, and some things here that'd be crazy to consider if I were still home.

( Finally, she shrugs loosely. ) I'm don't know.

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video; mellifluently July 5 2011, 01:07:05 UTC
Arthur C. Clarke. Although I don't tend to read much science fiction.

[She can't really remember where or how she picked the quote up. Maybe one of her uncles, visiting.]

I understand. It's easier, to accept each thing as it comes.

[Difficult to explain her belief system, when she believed most everything that appeared before her. It was only some of the darker elements of the Gardens that had truly managed to shock her, so far.]

Our worlds are different. That doesn't meant that any one is right or wrong.

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video; thinkbrave July 5 2011, 01:21:26 UTC
Me neither. I always thought stuff that was based in reality was much easier to relate to. ( Another very slight smile. ) Maybe it would've made being here easier if I had, some of this would've been more familiar.

( Most of what happened in the Garden had just made her angry, adding to the destructive mess that boils in her gut. Magic seemed so stupid, the entire purpose of this place, it didn't make sense.

And then Em got shot, and Fang swooped in to the rescue and that happy, bouncy little thing danced around and fixed her. That was magic, too. Magic fixed things where science - a gun was science, even if the thing with the gun was magic - had inflicted injury, and where science hadn't managed to save someone with a similar wound back home.

She just nods slowly. ) They're all real to whoever's from them. If we say someone else's world isn't real or right, then the same thing just applies to us, too.

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no_hometown July 5 2011, 01:16:55 UTC
[Ah, this topic. She has a vivid memory of an ugly argument on just this subject. But then, it is so easy to goad the professor into a rant.]

I am of the opinion that phenomena we can measure, understand, and even manipulate are generally known as science. "Magic" is often a name given to natural phemonena that are not yet understood. [He hated the word magic. All was science to him.]

In the end, I don't believe it matters what terminology we use. It is a matter of semantics. Each fact, each occurrence, can be taken into account and studied regardless of what name we give it.

This place is familiar to me in some ways, though quite alien to me in others. In my world, we have the technology to create false, holographic environments that mimic reality.

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thinkbrave July 5 2011, 01:45:22 UTC
So once they came to be understood, they'd stop being magic and become science? ( Maybe she's misunderstanding, but it's an interesting thought. ) It could all be fluid. If someone has more advanced science, things wouldn't be magic to them, and if a world doesn't have much science at all, maybe there's more magic. Or, um-- in my world, in the ancient cultures with the Romans and Greeks and Egyptians, they explained everything with the gods and goddesses they believed in, and that was real to them.

( Hmm. ) I guess you're right. I really is just semantics, everything kind of bleeds into each other and we just rely on our own perspective. ( Ellie shakes her head, tapping her fingers against the rock she's sitting on, and then pushing her hair out of her eyes. ) God, it's just-- there's so many things we put labels on. If you try to straighten every single one out to work out what overlaps, you'd go crazy. My head feels like it's just full of galahs that just found a fruit tree, or something.

( Oh. She pauses. ) Do you mean like those ( ... )

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no_hometown July 5 2011, 02:14:30 UTC
What we call them has no effect on them. They are what they are. Once they come to be understood, what we call them might change. In many ways, this is arbitrary.

In my world, we have a substance that allows people to manipulate the natural world. Using it, I can summon fire or ice with the power of my will. Some of the people in my world call this magic, and others call it science--and these are people who live in the same world and time, walk along the same city streets. As you say, considering these labels too much can distract one from the real issues at hand.

[Sephiroth considers the comparison.] In a way. I've reproduced a basic version of the technology here, which I use for training. It creates convincing environments, as well as opponents for me to fight.

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thinkbrave July 5 2011, 02:43:22 UTC
Yeah. You're right. ( She really doesn't have any argument, there. )

Is that, uh-- um. Is that the materia stuff you told me about? You tried to make some a little while ago?

Huh. ( That actually sounds really cool. Or it would, if the phantoms hadn't been so lifelike and scary. ) Can they hurt you?

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Video yakuza_otaku July 5 2011, 01:57:33 UTC
There's one thing in my world that would probably be called magic by a lot people, if they just saw the people with the powers and didn't know anything about how they got it...

... t-though even I have a hard time thinking of it as science, when I see some of the stuff they do.

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Video thinkbrave July 5 2011, 02:02:08 UTC
That's, uh-- that's the thing you told me about, right? With people coming back to life, and everything? Or is there... more stuff than that?

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Re: Video yakuza_otaku July 5 2011, 02:03:19 UTC
Yeah, that's the only thing weird in my world.

... as far as I know, anyway.

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Video thinkbrave July 5 2011, 02:08:51 UTC
Hah.

Yeah. 'As far as I know.' That's about the best we have to work with, really. Relying on whatever information people give us. ( Maybe someone is a little bitter. )

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