I really hope it is a hoax. Although I admit that an unlovely part of me hopes it is true, and that it lays the biggest egg of any scifi show ever, so that RTD might actually have to face the consequences of his offensive writing for once.
Although, that said? It would still probably be the biggest hit STARZ has ever had. Lesigh.
Although, that said? It would still probably be the biggest hit STARZ has ever had.LOL. Doubtful. and Not just cause a pedophile hero would be repungnant to most of the viewing audience, but because a cheesy melodramtic scifi show is not usually what people watch STARZ for. I am not saying it wouldnt do any good, if we take out the pedophile, and it had semi decent writing it'd probably do well, maybe even very well but biggest hit STARZ ever had? I dont think so~(if sci fi was THAT lucrative on US tv, the US networks would be making that instead of procedurals all the time but so far every sci fi/fantasy original show except BSG that was on a cable or broadcast channel has gotten prematurely cancelled. and I dont really count LOST since lost was just in it's own category of absurd
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The mere fact that it can be taken seriously doesn't speak much for RTD, though...
Doesn't speak much for fandom's biases, gullibility, and screaming rush to judgement, I'd say!
Seriously, I've already seen someone go on at substantial length about the "redemption arc" that RTD has obviously planned for the Oswald character... forgetting that the "redemption arcs" in Children of Earth consisted of the flawed characters getting more flawed until those flaws lead to their destruction. People are just leaping to conclusions based on their two or three (least) favorite data points, and ignoring all the evidence which *doesn't* point in the same direction...
OK, possibly taking my life in my hands here, and totally not commenting on Rusty, Torchwood, Doctor Who etc, because who needs the argument. Just a question or two or three so I can maybe join in the discussion at a later date:
(1) What is POC?
(2) Why is "POC in unrequited love with a white character" offensive?
(3) Um, why does the character being "female, ethnic AND Christian" mean she has to commit suicide? (I don't watch much television outside of LOM and Doctor Who - what am I missing here?)
ETA: Is it normal to specify what race characters should be?
2) Of itself, it isn't, necessarily...but when it's a MAJOR theme of your writing, then it starts to raise some questions. That theme has been rife in Torchwood/New Who: Mickey, Martha, and Tosh were all POC who had unrequited crushes on white characters that they were perceived as "less good than" (Mickey wasn't as good as the Doctor; Martha was "second best" to Rose, and Tosh wasn't as sexy and exciting as Diane).
3) RTD's stories are littered with the corpses of women and/or minority characters who nobly killed themselves because he couldn't think of a better way to resolve the plot. Also, Rusty has a tendency to make jabs at Christianity in his work; so I can't see him writing a Christian character with much or any real depth. Shorter answer: she wouldn't have to off herself every week in the hands of a more competent writer, but this being RTD
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Thanks for the education - OH is about to arrive home and the kids are cutting things down in the garden, so I'll have to come back to this later.
First thoughts, though: Mickey wasn't as exciting and adventurous as the Doctor, as indeed who could be. I don't remember it ever being implied that it was anything to do with his colour?
And I thought Naoko was Japanese? Or does "POC" include everything that's not White Anglo-Saxon, not just African origins? What about Mediterranean peoples, Inuit, whatever? (Sorry, not trying to be awkward, but when I googled POC this was not a definition which came up).
Oh, and the roguish pedo that you love to hate? Yeah. Edgy.
Just FTR? Even assuming this thing isn't fake -- the fairly explicit point of the character description is that if you love this guy rather than hating him, you're a sucker, because he's a well-polished celebrity sociopath a la OJ Simpson.
Also note that there's nothing to indicate that he's part of the Torchwood gang -- yes he's a continuing character, so were Mr. Frobisher and Johnson and PM Brian Green...
IA. The publicly-repentant but privately-still-evil-as-anything pedophile with the inexplicable media popularity struck me as, more than anything, a dig at Roman Polanski's inexplicable base of support. (This may be because Polanski's now walking free again, and dammit, I'm bitter.)
Also, the idea that all these events were somehow coalescing around the pedophile character struck me as foreshadowing for the pedophile somehow unleashing the apocalypse. Like the Antichrist who doesn't know he's the Antichrist, if you get me.
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Although, that said? It would still probably be the biggest hit STARZ has ever had. Lesigh.
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Doesn't speak much for fandom's biases, gullibility, and screaming rush to judgement, I'd say!
Seriously, I've already seen someone go on at substantial length about the "redemption arc" that RTD has obviously planned for the Oswald character... forgetting that the "redemption arcs" in Children of Earth consisted of the flawed characters getting more flawed until those flaws lead to their destruction. People are just leaping to conclusions based on their two or three (least) favorite data points, and ignoring all the evidence which *doesn't* point in the same direction...
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(1) What is POC?
(2) Why is "POC in unrequited love with a white character" offensive?
(3) Um, why does the character being "female, ethnic AND Christian" mean she has to commit suicide? (I don't watch much television outside of LOM and Doctor Who - what am I missing here?)
ETA: Is it normal to specify what race characters should be?
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2) Of itself, it isn't, necessarily...but when it's a MAJOR theme of your writing, then it starts to raise some questions. That theme has been rife in Torchwood/New Who: Mickey, Martha, and Tosh were all POC who had unrequited crushes on white characters that they were perceived as "less good than" (Mickey wasn't as good as the Doctor; Martha was "second best" to Rose, and Tosh wasn't as sexy and exciting as Diane).
3) RTD's stories are littered with the corpses of women and/or minority characters who nobly killed themselves because he couldn't think of a better way to resolve the plot. Also, Rusty has a tendency to make jabs at Christianity in his work; so I can't see him writing a Christian character with much or any real depth. Shorter answer: she wouldn't have to off herself every week in the hands of a more competent writer, but this being RTD ( ... )
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First thoughts, though: Mickey wasn't as exciting and adventurous as the Doctor, as indeed who could be. I don't remember it ever being implied that it was anything to do with his colour?
And I thought Naoko was Japanese? Or does "POC" include everything that's not White Anglo-Saxon, not just African origins? What about Mediterranean peoples, Inuit, whatever? (Sorry, not trying to be awkward, but when I googled POC this was not a definition which came up).
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That's correct. Asian people, Native Americans, Latin@s, everything.
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Nooooooooooo...
*bleaches brain*
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Just FTR? Even assuming this thing isn't fake -- the fairly explicit point of the character description is that if you love this guy rather than hating him, you're a sucker, because he's a well-polished celebrity sociopath a la OJ Simpson.
Also note that there's nothing to indicate that he's part of the Torchwood gang -- yes he's a continuing character, so were Mr. Frobisher and Johnson and PM Brian Green...
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Also, the idea that all these events were somehow coalescing around the pedophile character struck me as foreshadowing for the pedophile somehow unleashing the apocalypse. Like the Antichrist who doesn't know he's the Antichrist, if you get me.
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I'm pretty damn sure this is a hoax, BTW.
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I trust RTD (I know, I'm in the minority) enough not completely balls this up, so I'm going with hoax.
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