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qness

Modern Day Pirates

Apr 15, 2009 13:50

...and people wondered why i was so proud to be a Pirate when I first joined the SCA. Most people do not see/belive the other side. It's amazing how history repeats itself, though....

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prizmdonna April 15 2009, 21:19:06 UTC

I bet that woman and her three year old are pretty damn glad to have been rescued from the pirates holding them hostage the other day. The father wasn't as lucky. I'm thinking that kid won't grow up to think pirates are all Disney cute victims of the media.

- donna

qness April 15 2009, 22:23:11 UTC

It's much like when PETA bombs a laboratory to protest animal cruelty/testing and a custodian is injured or killed in the blast. Does violence simply beget more violence, or are these measures the reason we have come so far in animal protection laws? Are they terrorists or activists? Depends on your version of acceptable loss and your subjective views of the issue ( ... )

prizmdonna April 15 2009, 22:30:52 UTC

I love animals, and yes, I think bombing a lab and killing a person is completely unacceptable. Lots of gangbangers may also feel thievery and murder is necessary for survival. Somehow I doubt you'd defend them if you were the victim of a home invasion and you or someone you loved was killed.

Stealing can make some sense in the name of necessity, but murdering a man, whose only crime was STUPIDITY for sailing into pirate-infested waters, is just plain wrong. Just rob them and be on your way. Which is still wrong, to me, but at least it wouldn't include senseless killing. It is pretty baffling to me how you can hold something like that in great esteem.

- donna

qness April 15 2009, 23:46:52 UTC

I am either not making myself clear or you are missing my point =). I stated from the beginning that I do not believe that the killing of innocent victims is justified, either in the PETA example or Somali pirate one - but I can see where the end may justify the means for certain people in both cases. Just because I can see that doesn't mean I agree with it ( ... )

breakring April 16 2009, 05:39:15 UTC

Without wading into the fray, a two simple points of disagreement.

There is a very good argument that pirate societies, even during the Golden Age of Piracy, were not as egaltarian as some historians like to make out. Like the Sparticate Rebellion, piracy has been used by many as a propaganda point and evidence is often either ignored or inflated, depending on the position it supports.

As for the public support of the pirates, so what?

Public support of the pirates in Somalia signifies about as much as the American public adoration of gangsters in the 30's or gangbangers today (or the Somalia crowds cheering as American soliders were dragged dead through the streets).

I have no doubt there are economic issues which have given rise to this problem, but the evidence the author uses to support his posiiton is not as dispositive as he presents it to be.

qness April 17 2009, 15:42:51 UTC

I don't disagree with your disagreements =). The problem with history is one historian presents 'facts' one way, and another finds 'facts' to support something completely different. *shrug* The truth is usually something in between. I go with the beautiful egaltarian view because it's my perrogative, but I know that certainly isn't the rule across the board ( ... )

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