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presocratic

Fic: Belief (Builds from Scratch)

Oct 31, 2011 22:22

So in my last entry, I asked people to provide me with prompts that I would write ficlets for. I planned to just post them in the comments of that entry. BUT THEN. Then I wrote this. And it is far too big for that. This is for ivanolix, who requested future!Sansa/Tyrion. And since that is one of MAH PAIRINGS for ASoIaF, she got like, this huge thing ( Read more... )

asoiaf, writing, tyrion/sansa, fic

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presocratic November 1 2011, 21:08:05 UTC

THANK YOU MERRY. <3 If absolutely no one else comments on this thing (and that's a likely prospect, lol) I'll still be proud because you were really the only person I wanted to impress ( ... )

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presocratic November 2 2011, 15:27:36 UTC

I couldn't agree more re: attractiveness. I know I joke a lot about being shallow, but I certainly doubt I'm the only one who likes looking at those I find aesthetically attractive. Or who imagines myself in a relationship with them merely because I enjoy their appearance. I mean, I wouldn't ever actually marry anyone for that reason or anything, but it makes a pleasant enough fantasy.

So I'm not sure what people's deal is with Sansa being "shallow." Maybe they project frustration with their own ideals onto her?

regendy November 1 2011, 22:07:32 UTC

Awwwwww. See? See? I like this pairing when it's written in this sort of scenario! I think my favorite thing is how normal they are. They're not Perfect Sparkles Forever, but like Sansa says at the end, normal-happy beats sparkly, and is impressive enough given what they've both been through. (Also, you clarify that HEY, IT ACTUALLY WOULD NOT HAVE MADE SENSE FOR HER TO LUUUURVE HIM WHEN THEY FIRST GOT MARRIED.)

I also think you've aged them both perfectly. Tyrion still has some insecurities, but he's grown enough that he can exchange good-natured snarky banter with Sansa--rather than saying something funny and expecting her to think it's brilliant, or exchanging genuine barbs in a competitive one-upping way. And Sansa's confident and seems much healthier emotionally/mentally than she is in canon right now, but because she's done a good job working through all her trauma. I haaate when people make characters magically 100% unaffected by horrible things that have happened to them in canon (unless it's crack), but I love when it's done ( ... )

presocratic November 2 2011, 01:37:20 UTC

I love that you and I share such similar visions of romance, Sarah. <3 Because I find the idea that a loving relationship is something one has to work - and something that takes time - rather than something "destined by the gods" or something like that really refreshing and relatable.

LOL FORGIVE ME. I'M A LITTLE DRUNK RIGHT NOW AND I AM TRYING REALLY HARD TO BE COHERENT.

But yes, one of the reasons I love the idea of a future working marriage for Sansa and Tyrion is that I think they could laugh together. I honestly haven't given much thought to where they are sexually in this possible future, because that's just not the important part, to me at least. I just want them to at least be able to share their lives in some meaningful way, despite the rocky (lol understatement of the year) beginning to their marriage - and the involvement in it of people who had been really, really horrible to them.

unavalible November 1 2011, 22:52:35 UTC

It is I, Lemon!

Anyways, I read through this because I love you! And boy am I happy that I do love you, because I really, really liked it. I love how their relationship was something of companionship-- first and foremost. Tyrion does not need the sexual connection like he used to (which is a feat in and of itself), and Sansa is able to keep to herself but still share herself with him in other ways. It's healthy for the both of them, when they've BOTH been hurt before. You write them as if they're friends first and foremost-- people who have been in the same bullshit and came out of that bullshit together. There is also very obvious tenderness between the two on both sides-- emotional and physical.

I am so happy Sansa knelt down, too :< I was so upset for Tyrion in the books when she refused to bend the knee. I can see why (and I like how you wrote why she did not bend), but I still wanted to push myself into the book and be all 'SANSA PLEASE JUST KNEEL IT'LL BE SO MUCH EASIER FOR YOU BOTH ( ... )

unavalible November 1 2011, 22:53:07 UTC

And wow, I totally had PARAGRAPHS and not a wall of text, but LJ fucked that up. So sorry about that :/

presocratic November 2 2011, 01:45:16 UTC

Gahhhhh, thank you, Lemon. I admire your writing so much, so this means a great deal to me. <3

As I said in a previous comment, I haven't given a lot of thought to where they are - or aren't - sexually at this time. I just want them to be able to share something of themselves with each other. And like you said, they've both been through SO MUCH SHIT that the idea they might find any happiness at all speaks volumes about what they can be for one another.

I found Tyrion and Sansa's entire marriage in SoS almost physically painful. And I think Tywin meant it to be, so good for him, I guess? It's like... in ANY other series, it might have been okay, but GRRM wrote why it COULDN'T. When Tyrion could hear Sansa crying from behind the closed door? Ugh, my heart. So now I write fabric, hee. XD

Also, might I friend you? Fuck it, I am anyway,

presocratic November 2 2011, 01:46:00 UTC

DAMN YOU, AUTOCORRECT. I MEANT FANFIC,

synergyfox November 2 2011, 00:13:26 UTC

When perfect is perfect I must call these things and this most certainly is everything that is perfect and awesome and spastic and wonderful!

And I love it.

Because oh my, the perfect.

Seriously, it's hard to make things coherent and smart sounding when there's so much perfect in this fic.

And the Weirwood - I just can't, there's dust in my eyes, that must be it, yes.

They deserve happy and you gave them happy and it's so damned...

PERFECT.

presocratic November 2 2011, 01:48:44 UTC

THEY DO DESERVE ALL THE HAPPY, DON'T THEY, SIERRA? And GRRM will never give it to them, so I take things into my own hands. XD

Thank you so much for this sweet comment. It made me GLEEEEE ridiculous amounts. <3

synergyfox December 3 2011, 17:43:12 UTC

THEY DESERVE ALL THE HAPPIES OKAY!? ALL OF THEM! OF COURSE HE'LL NEVER GIVE THEM HAPPIES! IT'S GRRM!

:3 <3

shinebunny November 2 2011, 03:08:05 UTC

I like this so much.

All the little things - how Sansa can't get over her family, now that she has time to grieve, how she hates the crimson but loves the gold.

I especially love how there's the idea not only of some affection/love growing between them, but of new life: weirwood, spring, and, best of all, Sansa herself. Tyrion lets her be a *person* here, not just a shadow of herself. I think Sansa's clever enough to have a sense of humor, but that no one's ever let her develop one, so that's nice to see here. I love how she's grown into being a lady of the North living in the South - her mother in reverse.

Even though Sansa's the focus, the idea that a woman can treat him with camaraderie and honest respect seems to be rehabilitating Tyrion as well and I like that a lot. It's a mutual growth.

I really, really like these two. Their getting (rather, staying) married is one of the possible endgames that I'd like to see explored more often, so thank you for this!

presocratic November 2 2011, 15:30:37 UTC

Thank you so much for reading and especially for leaving such a wonderfully detailed comment! I too like the idea of the two of them rehabilitating each other and - to a certain extent - freeing each other from what they've been through. And while they're both in no place for that to happen in SoS, I like to think it may be possible for them in the future.

They're my two favorite characters if you couldn't tell. ;)