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red_pill August 6 2007, 23:20:54 UTC
and i am once agine thankful for the NHS becous of crap like this.

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desidono August 7 2007, 04:55:03 UTC
Don't say that, everyone in America knows that socialized medicine is the downfall of humanity. This is because the Profit Motive Makes Everything Better (tm).

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johnny9fingers August 7 2007, 07:35:31 UTC
Which explains US religious TV.
Give your money to the evangelists, and they can pray you well again.

The insurance guy needs a new tailor. With his sort of money he should be getting his suits from Saville Row. That Blazer/Trousers combination's never going to be the thing excepting in the bar on a golf course. And that tie....ugh. For fuck's sake, when even a Democrat dresses better....

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j0kerr August 8 2007, 19:34:11 UTC
1. There is plenty of evidence that socialized health care doesn't work and hurts people. I can get some if requested.

2. Did anyone see where this bill was expanding too? I believe it was to families that make 4x over the poverty level wouldn't have to pay for their children's health care if it had passed.

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johnny9fingers August 8 2007, 23:52:18 UTC
1. I'd like to see this evidence, and I'd like to know what the comparisons are as well.

For example, if we take Cuba and its medical system and compare it to a country with a similar GDP but no socialised medicine we find the disparities are all one way, in Cubas favour.

If however we accept life expectancy as a reasonable discription of the health of a nation, please explain to me why the US (little or no socialised medicaine) is 29th on the list and France (the most effective socialised health service in the world) is 5th. And every major European country has a greater life expectancy than the US. It can't all be down to the gun laws and you chaps shooting each other over the slightest cause.

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johnny9fingers August 9 2007, 00:13:53 UTC
Correction, this years figures are 8th for France, and 29th for the US.
But Sweden, France, Canada, Italy, Liechtenstein, Spain, Norway, Austria, Germany and the UK all rank above the US, and all have some form of socialised medicine.
Weirdly enough Jordan is above the US too.

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j0kerr August 9 2007, 14:03:06 UTC
Tons of documentation stating the problems and the people that have died, suffered, and denied care from it.

It isn't better, I would say its on the same level of the American system.

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman/issues/healthcare/socialized.html

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