Comments | polaris93: Would Ayn Rand be Welcomed at a Tea Party?

polaris93

Would Ayn Rand be Welcomed at a Tea Party? | Godfather Politics

Nov 05, 2011 10:00

http://godfatherpolitics.com/1872/would-ayn-rand-be-welcomed-at-a-tea-party/

An interesting examination of the differences between Ayn Rand and the Tea Parties.

BTW. what happens to "Don't work, don't eat" when the non-worker can't work, ( Read more... )

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Comments 6

actonrf November 5 2011, 18:59:51 UTC

This article is absurd. The only thing Rand and the Tea party will agree on is they do not like each other.
The author makes a huge mistake on Objectivism and mortality of Capitalism; to the objectivist the bias of morality is human reason; for us Christian we see this as not being a stable foundation to anchored liberty or Capitalism for human reason once can justify Capitalism and Socialism.
The Founding Fathers have it right

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,...

Ironically I am more in agreement with my Objectvist friends than the tea party. The later I see a noting more than a populist wolf dressed in Capitalist sheep's clothing.

The author does make a correct deducting showing no support in scripture for socialism

polaris93 November 5 2011, 19:02:02 UTC

I've had too many unpleasant run-ins with Objectivists to be able to comment fairly on Rand, and as for the Tea Parties, there's a lot of nonsense pushed by some LOUD members of them. So I'll just leave this as part of an open forum on the subject. :-)

nighthawkal November 6 2011, 04:32:20 UTC

You don't seem like you would be much of a fan of Ayn Rand, but I think you seem like you're in a lot of agreement with the Tea Party, or at least the more moderate elements. You seem like you're probably pretty much on the same page as I am. Seeing her interviews, I think Ayn Rand is a bit on the extreme side. But of course, considering she left a Communist country, that may play into her extremism because she lived in a place that has policies diametrically opposed to what she believed in.

I think we should cut government spending as a whole, but when it comes to the disabled, I think the gov't should still try to help them out if they aren't able to hold a job because of their disability. We just don't want to pay able-bodied people to not work.

polaris93 November 6 2011, 04:41:33 UTC

I've come to detest party politics that ultimately become something like a football game instead of reasonable actions by reasonable people. Left, Right, it doesn't matter. I'm old, and tired, and in pain, and may have the beginning stages of Alzheimer's, and I'm just too exhausted to deal with it. My bad, not anyone else's. But yeah, Rand is somewhat extreme. And you hasve to understand, I almost died at age 16 because I couldn't take a lack of liberty any more, liberty of thought, liberty of spirit, liberty of everything of life. That and the Founders are pretty much where I'm at when it comes to thought on liberty, and as for economics, their contributions are pretty solid, too.

It's not just the disabled. Babies and toddlers can't work. They can't take part in their world's economy, and they must be cared for until they get old enough to contribute. Does this mean they should be abandoned? Hell no! Ditto the elderly and invalids who can't help it. It's not a sin for people to care for the helpless, not a sin to not " ( ... )

nighthawkal November 6 2011, 05:21:20 UTC

I think you're right about party politics. Its more like Yankees vs Red Sox; my team is good and your team is bad.

Is there anyone saying that babies, toddlers, and kids should starve? That would be extreme. Everyone knows that the helpless should be helped. I don't think any rationally thinking person would say that kids should starve.

As for some of Rand's followers, in a way, I think some of them are kinda cultish and follow her like they would a cult leader or like a demigod. I think its unhealthy the point some of these people go to in order to quote her.

polaris93 November 6 2011, 05:36:12 UTC

I think you're right about party politics. Its more like Yankees vs Red Sox; my team is good and your team is bad.

Phil Rader and I call it "football politics." There's way too much of it around, mainly because they don't teach civics courses any more, and people tend to go with whatever the mainstream media push.

Is there anyone saying that babies, toddlers, and kids should starve? That would be extreme. Everyone knows that the helpless should be helped. I don't think any rationally thinking person would say that kids should starve.

I've met too many irrational, non-thinking people in my time. Some of them interpret Rand that way, believe it or not. She isn't to blame; they are. But they are scary.

As for some of Rand's followers, in a way, I think some of them are kinda cultish and follow her like they would a cult leader or like a demigod. I think its unhealthy the point some of these people go to in order to quote her.Yes. Ultimately one is supposed to internalize what one has learned from others, including thinkers like ( ... )