SPN 10x03 - Soul Survivor

[pocochina]

I generally try to avoid fandom response until writing my thoughts about the episode, because then my thoughts inevitably become in part a response to what other people think, even if that response is “those thoughts are silly.” But I’ve been chatting with people about it for days anyway, so that kind of got shot this time around. Short answer,

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[ash48]

Something that really stood out to me was how much more aggressive Dean became toward Sam the more "human" he became. I haven't worked out what to do with that, just that it was curious.

I know most fans seem disappointed with the ending, but Sam stepping away after everything he's just been through spoke volumes to me - not least, just needing some time away. The "food after death" ritual is nice continuity also.

We are so early into this year's myth arc that I can't even speculate what reactions Dean will have to this or how Sam will fair. I've seen some disappointment that Dean didn't say thank you to Sam (but Cas instead) but that feels so right to be at the moment. Same with lack of hug, reconciliation or anything. They'll no doubt play with that tension for many episodes gets. Personally, I think we are a long way from any turning point for Dean (and to be honest, when and if we get one I doubt it will be the kind of turning point I am (personally) hoping for).

Dean is still worthy of the Mark, because he is still

[pocochina]

Something that really stood out to me was how much more aggressive Dean became toward Sam the more "human" he became. I haven't worked out what to do with that, just that it was curious.

Yes! This is something that the season has done a great job with, IMO? That what's become so scary about Dean is not far at all from what, once upon a time, made him endearing. Getting more "human" meant getting back to that emotional core - and right now, what he's feeling is ugly.

Same with lack of hug, reconciliation or anything. They'll no doubt play with that tension for many episodes gets. Personally, I think we are a long way from any turning point for Dean (and to be honest, when and if we get one I doubt it will be the kind of turning point I am (personally) hoping for).

I am so pleased with the show's choice to take its time with this, rather than going for the instant gratification/no real resolution.

The thing I like most about this interpretation is just how horrific it is. The Mark still leaves a lot open with some great potential

[pinkphoenix1985]

You're totally right that it is Stockholm Syndrome. I think that it is telling how Sam is conflicted about using the blood to save Dean since it definitely could kill him in comparison to Dean in S4 determined to save Sam no matter what. I think that it shows Sam's humanity and love for Dean whereas with Dean it is more the determination not to end up with a demon for a brother and having to deal with the failure of not saving him.

Just my two cents.

[pocochina]

I think that's a really apt comparison, but there's one thing I want to be clear on:

Dean in S4 determined to save Sam no matter what

Dean was very much not determined to save Sam no matter what. Dean left Sam in that hole to die, which is the opposite of saving someone. I mean, I totally think that's what Dean has convinced himself, I just don't think that means it's accurate.

[pinkphoenix1985]

Dean was very much not determined to save Sam no matter what. Dean left Sam in that hole to die, which is the opposite of saving someone. I mean, I totally think that's what Dean has convinced himself, I just don't think that means it's accurate.

Are you referring to the finale of S5? In that case then yes definitely, I agree with you. I think that Dean thought that it was Sam's mess--that he willingly drank the demon blood and become a full blown monster so in Deanlogic that means no one to save.

In S4, I think that Dean is selfish in that he feels like it is his mission to save Sam or better yet the essence of Sam by any means necessary. Dean is selfish because he wants to feel like he is the hero-- the saviour. Sam drinking demon blood means that he is a monster and then it would be Dean's failure. Which is why I think Dean was just so angry at the beginning of S5-- he was angry at himself, he failed from keeping Sam from becoming a monster. It never was about Sam at all.

[pocochina]

I'm talking about the end of S4, but yes, I think we're generally agreeing on how Dean's mind works. What I'm saying is, it's not accurate to refer to the way he chooses to act on that logic as "saving."

[ellie_234]

Well I know if I was Sam I would not turn my back on Dean and would keep my door locked at night. Dean was willing to hurt him and he was not a 'demon' when he did.

[pocochina]

Seriously. Or go back to sleeping with a gun under his pillow, like he was by the end of S9.