five (of the many, many) ways people get S9 wrong

[pocochina]

Here are five frequent criticisms of the Ezekiel storyline that, as of episode 9x5 (I reserve the right to change this opinion when we get the whole picture, though I don’t think I’ll have to), are at best bullshit and are, in many cases, extremely disturbing.

Just to be clear, I'm not talking about people who just don't like part or all of S9. I

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[cuddyclothes]

As Chico Marx said to Groucho, "Who ya gonna believe, me or your own eyes?" I don't think that applies much to this post, but I love that line.

[pocochina]

ahaha, exactly! I feel like that's what's happening here for real though? People shouting that the big bold lines from Point A to Point B JUST AREN'T THERE THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE??!?!! until everyone starts to believe them.

[jo1027]

"This is a pattern. Patterns are hard to break. It is not Dean’s fault that this pattern started, but it is his fault he perpetuates it. If you say can’t accept this characterization because it is irreconcilable with your beloved Dean, I don’t believe you really do like Dean all that much, since you haven’t been paying attention to him for 7+ seasons now

[pocochina]

He's been a d-bag since Season 1 episode 1. He's been consistent in his put-downs of Sam since then. They're there in every episode in one form or another.....I'm the oldest of 5 kids and would NEVER treat my younger siblings the way Dean treats Sam. And yes, he is ABUSIVE! I could never identify with him for that reason.You are a lot more astute than I am! I liked Dean a lot at first because I'm the oldest too, and he made me really think about "if I had been in his situation, his sub-culture, had his particular formative traumas, would I behave the way he does?" And I didn't know, but I had enough of a way into the character that I was sympathetic and found him a very interesting thought exercise. And I tried to hang in there throughout S4 because, you know, hell-trauma, but it was harder and harder to deal with his desire to dehumanize Sam that got worse and worse throughout the season. ("I feel terrible about turning on strangers in hell and hurting them in order to vent my own pain, but it's TOTALLY okay to bully and abuse MY

[jo1027]

I've been reading a lot of psychology books lately.

I've read my share as well. I find the whole subject so interesting as it helps us to understand both ourselves and others.

You are a lot more astute than I am!

I wouldn't say that. I find your posts to be very astute. I think it's just a matter of i"m really old and have met too many guys who are like Dean.

Thanks for your reply.

[ellie_234]

Dean is judged on how far up the pedestal you have him. The higher up the more inclined you are not to see the worst of him but rather hail the best in him even his Ezekiel decision is seen as some shining example of his love for Sam rather than a violation of Sam's autonomy and self . Maybe not all of us see him through the thickest rose tinted glasses in existence but rather take a more realistic view of the character .

[pocochina]

Yeah, people who want to paint Dean in the best possible light will continue to do so, but to do that I feel like they have to push Dean so far out of focus that he's not really Dean anymore. But tbh I am less and less willing to try and be charitable about people who are now trying to gaslight us out of acknowledging Dean's gaslighting of Sam.