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pocochina

the razor

Feb 27, 2011 22:20

So after my Cain post a while back I gave in and re-watched Razor. Because I do not even have the attention span to pretend I do serious re-watches. Some day Netflix is going to send me a notification like YOU KNOW THE NUMBERS GO IN ORDER, RIGHT? And naturally I had thoughts. About Lee, because apparently that is what I do now.

( When faced with untenable alternatives, you should consider your imperative. )

bsg: lee adama why are you like this, bsg, bsg: laura roslin is my favorite, mental health

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angearia February 28 2011, 10:14:58 UTC

So this post makes me think about my heritage, specifically stories my dad's always told me. I've got Norse and Scots background on my father's side.

The term berserker is popularly understood as out of control, wild with rage. In my family history and in a few other sources I've encountered, it means something else. A berserker doesn't grow hot with rage -- they grow cold. Pain means nothing to them. Fear is no obstacle. Strength is found in the force of your will and that superhuman strength doesn't acknowledge the limitations of your body.

My dad tells me stories about my grandfather lifting a car out of a ditch alone, and he's talked about feeling that sensation.

Anyways, when you talked about how Lee would grip the knife and bash people with the hilt, but that if he continued doing so he'd eventually lose his hand -- I immediately thought: she's describing a berserkerIt's a different sort of rage, I think, because it surpasses anger. Anger is vented. Berserker rage runs cold and it remains centered within the person, ( ... )

pocochina February 28 2011, 15:43:10 UTC

I had no idea that was where that word came from! I love it.

I don't think he ever gets fully out of control in an obvious way. (With the exception of the temper tantrum quoted above, obvs.) But I do think he gets out of the control of whatever inhibitions normally keep him contained and usually frozen.

So yeah, absolutely he's a berserker.

that is fantastic! thank you for that story.

angearia March 1 2011, 03:47:34 UTC

I'm glad it makes sense!

I was trying to find good sources to share, but my googlefu failed me. Maybe I'll track something down later!

ceciliaj February 28 2011, 12:58:58 UTC

Lee: This case, this case is built on emotion, on anger, bitterness, but most of all it's built on shame. It's about the shame of what we did to ourselves back on that planet. It's about the guilt of those of us who ran away, who ran away. And we are trying to dump all of that guilt and all that shame onto one man, and then flush him out the airlock, and just hope that that gets rid of it all. So that we can live with ourselves. But that won't work. That won't work. That's not justice, not to me. Not to me. (Crossroads)

I love this speech so much! Lee is very very good.

pocochina February 28 2011, 15:53:07 UTC

hahaha. I actually have so, so many problems with him during the trial, even though I'm the only one in the world, apparently. EVERYBODY IN THE FUCKING UNIVERSE, STOP AND LISTEN TO MY MASSIVE PROJECTION! ugh, take a Xanax and cry to your shrink like the rest of us, Lee. But it's very well delivered, and I adore the way it's bookended with the ragged, brutal Pegasus story.

ceciliaj February 28 2011, 18:45:31 UTC

*also has a kink for suit!Lee*

*but not as much as suit!Amy Acker*

*so there ya go*

pocochina February 28 2011, 19:31:08 UTC

HAHA FAIR ENOUGH.

that was one of my big takeaways from the mutiny, was that Jamie Bamber needs to be James Bond someday. INORITE?

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ever_neutral March 1 2011, 07:32:55 UTC

...

YES.

Oh my God, yes. I cannot even be coherent right now.

I feel really weird about identifying with him now. And now I am also thinking about Wesley. ALL THAT ICE RAGE. EVERYWHERE.

pocochina March 1 2011, 08:15:08 UTC

It bowled me over on second watch. I was so fascinated with Cain and Kendra that I didn't pick up on it at all the first time around.

I know, oh my God, our boys. Wesley is a razor. (Jesus, Cain would completely approve of Wesley. there's a thought.) I actually can't think of another one in the Buffyverse. Lilah and Darla have the hard edge but I'm not sure they feel the revulsion to fight, which is a big part of it, to clamp down on those inhibitions. Wes handles it better, because Watchers need to be razors so he's at least learned some ways to use it without being controlled by it.

I don't know which jumps out more to me about them, that they're afraid of themselves, or that they should be, and I really do wonder what it is of myself that I see in them.