Why Not to Vote For Hillary: Part One

Dec 21, 2007 16:44

Throughout the primary campaign, Hillary Clinton has ensisted that she should be her party's eventual nominee because other candidates are unelectable in a general election. Her reasoning is that Barack Obama and John Edwards are unable to stand up to the Republican attack machine, while she has been "tested", her record "vetted" and there is ( Read more... )

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thecityofdis December 22 2007, 01:09:27 UTC
And who do you intend to vote for? All of the things you list seem to pale by large margins in comparison to the actions, avoidances, and ignorances of other candidates. I'm just curious.

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pmoyshaikurobot December 22 2007, 02:09:36 UTC
I have big problems with all of the Republican candidates for differing reasons, so they are all out of the picture for me. And while Bill Richardson and Joe Biden are the most QUALIFIED to be President, neither of them has a very good chance at the nomination right now.

So, short answer is, I'm voting for Obama. I should have prefaced my post by explaining that this is a rebuttal to the widespread belief that a Hillary nomination is inevitable and our best choice.

Listing everything that turns me off about all of the candidates would take all day.

What about you? Who's your choice right now?

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thecityofdis December 22 2007, 02:14:30 UTC
I don't think it's any secret that I'm a fairly staunch libertarian. That said, Ron Paul is my ideal candidate of choice. But while I certainly think he's going to put up a much harder fight than many seem to be expecting, I don't think there's any realistic probability of him coming into office.

That said, while her economic ideas make me cringe, Hillary is the only one that has demonstrated any competent, nuanced understanding of foreign policy, and she has the strongest track record on social issues, willing to keep abortion legal and protected (although she's centered her stance on it in the last decade or so), and has the strongest record on GLBT rights.

So basically, if Ron Paul were to be off the ballot, I think I could still sleep fairly soundly by voting for her.

Either Giuliani or Edwards in the White House would be more than enough to make me an expat.

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pmoyshaikurobot December 22 2007, 02:42:13 UTC
Giuliani gives me nightmares. Edwards has been dead to me ever since his debate with Cheney. As for Paul, it seems like he and most of his supporters have resigned themselves to the fact that this campaign is more of a statement than anything viable. It's hard to imagine such a radical change in our political structure happening in the near future.

GLBT rights are not as much of a priority for me, same goes for abortion rights. I don't see any huge changes happening in those areas at the Presidential level unless a Republican is elected, but they're bound to be improved (or at least find some protection) with any Democratic president.

And as for Hillary's foreign policy, well I really can't respect her when she takes the credit for eight years of foreign policy.

There are a lot of issues I have with her that I'll explore in the future, because I would not be sleeping soundly with her in office.

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he-man woman hater avant_garden_ December 24 2007, 17:49:02 UTC
Phil, obviously you just hate women. Why don't you just say it? "I hate women." There. I don't understand where this hatred stems from, it does not stem from the same place as Dustin's. It does not stem from a place of rejection. Instead, it stems from the fact women write better than Sir Philip. That is it. That must be it. The pen is mightier than the penis. Hm. Never noticed the work pen was in penis before. Oh you men are just so vain.

*burns bra*

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Re: he-man woman hater dustykaster December 25 2007, 02:43:49 UTC
girls are dumb.

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