I'm living proof the barge'll punish you if betray your own morals, ethics, and better judgment.
Stop bitching. Stop focusing on other people.
What you SHOULD do... is get to work on fixing yourself so that maybe someday you can assert this supposed knowledge you have on law and order into reforming your own inmate.
not-voice. swing has issues. and is now thinking you're doing it to taunt him.pleasesmirkMay 12 2010, 15:12:19 UTC
I did no such thing. You were more detrimental to him than I ever was. Sirrus pretty much graduated himself, if you ask me. I certainly wasn't trying to get in your way.
Verbally persecuted? What the name of the Gods are you talking about, Dean? You're the one who constantly made fun of me and abused me for no reason. I only ever brought up serious and genuine concerns, like an adult, and you constantly dismissed them with childish insults. Who's being verbally persecuted now?
We are all hypocrites, to some degree. That said, it's where and how you bend your standards that creates the kind of person you are. I've done things in the past that, when I was younger, I assumed I never would--but I weighed my options and my morals and found I had to adapt. It's a slippery slope. That's why it helps to have people around you that you trust to act as a guiding force; to help you find your own standards and center again when you've gone too far off the rails. And we all do, from time to time.
I suppose that's the point, really, isn't it? And if you don't have anyone around who pushes you back towards, say, law and order, you end up sort of blinded to it and thinking you're working in their name, but you're not. I... guess that's the point, after a certain level of responsibility, you have to do that to yourself.
That sounds fair, yes. If nothing else, we'll have suitable evidence to point out that we are paying attention to the fact that some of them aren't doing their jobs and if that isn't a suitable enough Sword of Damocles than I don't know what is. I hold no illusions that we'll successfully manage to demote anyone, but scaring them should be suitable.
[And then the Inmates rise up in an organized fashion while the Wardens are going "OH SHIT WHAT NOW?" But, uh, you don't get to know about that Swing. SORRY.]
I'd very much like to see them, if you're willing to show me.
Sword of who? I know what you mean, but I'm sure it's slightly different on... nevermind. Anyway, the threat of punishment, I've learned, is a lot more powerful than the punishment itself at times.
[and then Swing tries to doublecross you, because GAH NO UPRISINGS ON MY WATCH.]
I am, yes. Currently, I only have the two incidents which have gone mentioned this week, but they'll stack up soon enough. They always do. The evidence one can get from a private conversation is... poor, though. If anything goes mentioned privately to add to it, it'd be most useful.
Standards should be flexible and evolving, but generally kept high, in my opinion. Keeping them static and inflexible makes it difficult to adapt one's self.
(Since I am not well acquainted with the individuals you mentioned, I will refrain from commenting on them in specific.)
But it can also mean that you say one thing and do another and contradict yourself, just because your standards have changed. How is anything ordered at all if everyone's standards are flexible?
Regrettably, I am only too aware that most people's standards do not start high, but it is a nice place to start.
And while I understand your desire for order, the fact of the matter is is that the universe is entropic; it inherently tends toward disorder. Our desire for order and consistency, in a sense, can be unnatural.
Surely it's a natural desire to want to put order into chaos - why do we live in societies, not anarchy, if humans didn't have a predisposition towards creating order?
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I'm living proof the barge'll punish you if betray your own morals, ethics, and better judgment.
Stop bitching. Stop focusing on other people.
What you SHOULD do... is get to work on fixing yourself so that maybe someday you can assert this supposed knowledge you have on law and order into reforming your own inmate.
Until then, suck it up and stop being a lily ass.
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It was an observation, based on Rex's post and people bitching about punishment. Nothing more than that.
calm down. I didn't realise I'd done anything to cause you such offence, Dean. But then again, I never did. You just like to abuse me. You always did.
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And you verbally persecuted me to the public. I'm pretty sure that's cause for offense, bud.
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Verbally persecuted? What the name of the Gods are you talking about, Dean? You're the one who constantly made fun of me and abused me for no reason. I only ever brought up serious and genuine concerns, like an adult, and you constantly dismissed them with childish insults. Who's being verbally persecuted now?
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That sounds fair, yes. If nothing else, we'll have suitable evidence to point out that we are paying attention to the fact that some of them aren't doing their jobs and if that isn't a suitable enough Sword of Damocles than I don't know what is. I hold no illusions that we'll successfully manage to demote anyone, but scaring them should be suitable.
[And then the Inmates rise up in an organized fashion while the Wardens are going "OH SHIT WHAT NOW?" But, uh, you don't get to know about that Swing. SORRY.]
I'd very much like to see them, if you're willing to show me.
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[and then Swing tries to doublecross you, because GAH NO UPRISINGS ON MY WATCH.]
I am, yes. Currently, I only have the two incidents which have gone mentioned this week, but they'll stack up soon enough. They always do. The evidence one can get from a private conversation is... poor, though. If anything goes mentioned privately to add to it, it'd be most useful.
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[THEIRS IS SUCH A FUNCTIONAL RELATIONSHIP.]
It's been a rather busy week, hasn't it? If the Barge weren't so constantly in a vague state of chaos, I'd almost call it lucky.
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[SO FUNCTIONAL. ALSO. ACTUAL CHART COMING UP WHEN I'VE UPDATED IT.]
It's always a busy week - but yes, even by those standards.
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(Since I am not well acquainted with the individuals you mentioned, I will refrain from commenting on them in specific.)
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And not everyone's stsndards will start high.
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And while I understand your desire for order, the fact of the matter is is that the universe is entropic; it inherently tends toward disorder. Our desire for order and consistency, in a sense, can be unnatural.
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