Crimes

[catyuy]

I was wondering, what crimes has Piper actually committed?

Could we possibly get a list of all the times Piper or Trickster have committed a crime? How many did they get away with? How many times were they caught? How many times do we see them in prison?

And for fun, how old do you think Trickster and Piper are? I say early 30's at the oldest.

Comments

[bagheera_san]

You can never know, with comics, but I'd say they were 30 or older in Countdown, considering the life experience they've had and the things they've done - they've been Barry Allen Rogues, reformed, Piper at least had a fairly normal life during Wally's run for several years, Trickster was a private investigator and an FBI agent and he had a kid who looked like he was about 8-12, and all that was quite a bit before Bart's death. I'd say that Piper now is in his mid thirties.

[runenklinge]

The only precise age thing I ever remember mentioned is that Mick turned 40 during the preparation to the Rogues War. Piper and JJ are probably a bit younger, but definetely between 30-35.

And that crime list?
It would be a valiant effort, but you´d have to go through every comic they ever appeared in, look for direct evidence and mentions of crimes/times in prison... it´s pretty much impossible, especially that the comic books don´t work as autobiographies and are full of holes.
And then there´s the retcons - and then you´re screwed anyway.

[anonymous]

In Flash 190 Piper's internal monologue introduces himself: "I was born Hartley Robert Rathaway. In Central City. Thirty Plus years ago. Had Two silver spoons in my Mouth."

There's lots more to the monologue that gives some insight to exactly HOW Piper thinks.

James is a right b@$!@^& in this one though; more than usual at least.

[madripoor_rose]

Interesting questions! I don't have time today, but I can flip through the three Showcase Presents Flash reprint books I have and see what comes up there.

Would Piper be charged with kidnapping and coercion every time he uses mind control?

Trying to figure out ages for comics characters drives me nuts, but early to mid thirties seems to be where they're frozen. And I usually go by if Wally started out as Kid Flash at ten, they have to be at least 8 years older than him....and I think we've had Wally's stated current age as 26 a couple of times.

[xanykaos]

I've about given up on proper ages, if only because an interview with Jurgens said that he pictures Booster Gold as being 23. Twenty. Three.

Yeah, comic-fudgey time and all that, but there's no way he was Booster Gold at any younger than 19, possibly even twenty. We have at least two "year long" events that have happened between then and now, not even counting all the stuff that came between those two events, like, say, his epic friendship with Beetle, the end of the JLI, their poutiness, and Beetle's death? There's no way that all happened in a year and a half.

Plus, Jurgens draws him like late 20's, but that's just a style thing, I guess.

If Wally's currently 26, then that means he's been the Flash for seven years at this point. Just maybe saying Barry had been the Flash for that long at that the Rogues were anywhere from 18-25 when they started, that puts them in the beautifully nebulous mid-thirties. Piper went to college, right? So he was probably early 20's

[madripoor_rose]

That was the point that made it clear to me that the PTB who are being paid to figure this stuff out have no idea what they're doing either. No was is Booster only 23.

Silver-age Piper went to college, and I think the last retcon origin said he was thrown out of a couple of colleges.

I understand the sliding scale, how they age up some characters and others remain static, and the characters have been around since the 30's 40's 50's....etc. But it does just drive me nuts trying to figure out.

[kansan_entrails]

I've about given up on proper ages

Time works in comics in that...it doesn't work. I'm pretty sure Superboy punched time in an attempt to make it work again.

[syn_alexander]

ooh! ooh! I got a thing for the ages! XD

This was my bit for Piper. I never did one for James, though I suspect that they are the same age or one is a year or two younger than the other.

18-20 (Joined Fury) + 1-2 = 19-22 (Joined the Rogues) + 10 = 29-32 (Time Fury broke out of prison) + 2-3 = 31-35 (pre-Countdown) + 1-2 = 32-37 (Present)

It never actually states how many years have passed between him dating James, joining the Project, the events of Countdown, Rogues Revenge, and Blackest Night, however, I’m guessing he must’ve been with James for some time before breaking up, and he’d prolly been broken up for a while as he was comfortably in an apartment at the time he got the fake e-mail from his father. Also, I’m guessing his time with Agent Jesse, Countdown, RR, and BN probably stemmed over a year or so at least.

[syn_alexander]

Can the pre-countdown era be calculated using Wally's adventures with other heros in the DC universe? Like, how many times did Flash work with Nightwing or Arsenal and how old was Robin(Tim) or Lian at the time... the younger comic book characters seem to age at least a little.