More WW meta

Nov 28, 2009 17:26

I sat on the my last "WW meta" post for a few days. I wrote it for myself, decided not to post it, then did anyway. And got into an argument ( Read more... )

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misterandersen December 7 2009, 04:35:31 UTC
Yes the flagship female character needs to be American, or indistinguishable from it. Her moral code -- including, inevitably, her sexuality -- needs to evolve from that singular standpoint ( ... )

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philippos42 December 7 2009, 23:09:29 UTC
You're being sarcastic, but some of these are real concerns. There are fairy princesses (Ororo, Nightshade, Mantis, Wondy) on the one hand & distaff junior heroes (Power/Super/Hawk/Bat Girl) on the other. Now some of those "junior heroes" are workable as characters in their own right. But there is a bias that a woman is either "junior" or "exotic ( ... )

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misterandersen December 8 2009, 04:03:43 UTC
No, I'm actually being entirely serious in my appraisal of why those characters aren't going to work. Wondy gets away with her deeply impractical and inappropriate music hall girl costume -- and I think it's telling that the Amazonia elseworlds makes her a vaudeville girl -- because of its outrageously patriotic design. Zatanna's and Dinah's fishnets (and top hat/choker respectively) are fetishwear linked to the minds of many with something unsavoury. And that's the thing: the character needs to ride that razor edge between virgin and whore.

Really, it's a matter of making up new heroines. That work.
The horse has already bolted on that one I'm afraid. No newbie would ever be able to eclipse the cultural mass and power of long established heroines.

Off the top of my head, Claremont's X-Men is full of examples. Kitty Pryde is a damn good start. Jean Grey would have been decent if not for the over-the-top Phoenix stuff. Dazzler is a promising concept, but not typically handled well.Marvel have considerably less iconic legacy ( ... )

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philippos42 December 8 2009, 22:55:41 UTC
"No newbie would ever be able to eclipse the cultural mass and power of long established heroines."
A. What established heroines? Wonder Woman, Supergirl--oh, we're done.
B. Each generation is born ignorant. New fans don't know what an established character is, they know what they're being sold right now.
C. Buffy the Vampire Slayer, while it was on TV, was pretty much bigger, as a pop culture phenom, than every comic-book superheroine in US publishing--if not than all of them put together.
You're deeply wrong here.

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