I'm not sure I even completely understand all the nuances to the various universes and how they collide/interact, but I am enjoying the laying out of the story and how the characters are developing and yes, talking with one another about it. It seems more real than in some other shows where the audience is always left to speculate but no answers are really given.
Definitely one of my favourites at the moment and I'm going to miss it for the next month! Is it true that this is the last season? I had heard that somewhere and was sad, although I guess it's always good in that they can wrap things up when they know how long it's going to run, rather than just getting cancelled mid-season.
Thanks. It is a fairly layered/complex system to deal with, which is why I tried to be as clear as possible about how I was defining things.
I'm still kind of bowled over ever time there's an actual adultish conversation on this show, because so many of the things they talk about would fall into the "pretend this never happened" category on other shows. I mean what other series would actually have written any of the conversations between Peter and Olivia post her return from "Over There" in S3 into on screen canon? I love it. And to paraphrase nnaylime from last weekend, 'the characters don't always act like adults, but at least they have adult like conversations about it after'.
I'm pretty sure it hasn't been officially cancelled yet, though its on the wrong side of the ratings bubble for likely renewal.
Fringe does raise some interesting issues about personality and identity and what exactly determines them. I do understand Peter, especially given that he remembers how much pain the situation with Faux caused his Olivia (and himself), but I am not sure there is a his!Olivia to return to. This isn't a different universe, it's a different timeline. As September kinda pointed to, attempting to fix it may just cause more changes. Even if he manages to reset his erasing, will memories of the timeline without him then be the ones lurking just below the surface and come back to Olivia? Not sure there is an easy solution - Peter may have to learn to live in this timeline, perhaps with only people close to him having memories of him. Olivia may learn to live with two set of memories. My wee shipper heart just hopes it's a sort of a happy ending for Olivia and Peter both
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I do agree that Peter is in the Universe that he thinks of as his and that the reality that he wants to go home to probably doesn't exist anymore. I do think they're working towards the sort of ending you've proposed - Peter can't reset the timeline and has to learn to live in this one with Olivia' having two sets of memories - and I'm not opposed to it. I just don't think she'll ever actually be his!Olivia as we knew her at the end of S3 if that's where they go with it
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I am hoping that Olivia's "memories" of the new timeline will continue to fade and she will eventually just be Our Olivia, but it will suck for Peter if she's the only one who gets those memories back. Walter needs to take some LSD or something. ;) On the other hand, he and Walter were already developing a relationship (before Walter got pissed about Peter "influencing" Olivia) and I think that kind of relationship is much easier to build back up again than falling in love.
I still think the point all goes back to Peter's dream where he wanted waffles but had to settle for pancakes or whatever.
You make a good point about the Observers/Henry. I'm not sure either. to be honest.
I agree with you about the dream thing - I don't think the original reality exists for him to return to anymore and he's going to have to learn to live in this one.
But I'm not sure I really want Olivia' to have all her original memories wiped as I do agree with Lincoln in that whatever is causing this is basically erasing the person Olivia' was. And I feel sort of bad for Lincoln cause he's totally getting the short end of the stick with Olivia' becoming Olivia (though I was ready to punch him and Walter for their obsessive belief that this is something Peter is doing intentionally).
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I'm not sure I even completely understand all the nuances to the various universes and how they collide/interact, but I am enjoying the laying out of the story and how the characters are developing and yes, talking with one another about it. It seems more real than in some other shows where the audience is always left to speculate but no answers are really given.
Definitely one of my favourites at the moment and I'm going to miss it for the next month! Is it true that this is the last season? I had heard that somewhere and was sad, although I guess it's always good in that they can wrap things up when they know how long it's going to run, rather than just getting cancelled mid-season.
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I'm still kind of bowled over ever time there's an actual adultish conversation on this show, because so many of the things they talk about would fall into the "pretend this never happened" category on other shows. I mean what other series would actually have written any of the conversations between Peter and Olivia post her return from "Over There" in S3 into on screen canon? I love it. And to paraphrase nnaylime from last weekend, 'the characters don't always act like adults, but at least they have adult like conversations about it after'.
I'm pretty sure it hasn't been officially cancelled yet, though its on the wrong side of the ratings bubble for likely renewal.
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I still think the point all goes back to Peter's dream where he wanted waffles but had to settle for pancakes or whatever.
You make a good point about the Observers/Henry. I'm not sure either. to be honest.
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But I'm not sure I really want Olivia' to have all her original memories wiped as I do agree with Lincoln in that whatever is causing this is basically erasing the person Olivia' was. And I feel sort of bad for Lincoln cause he's totally getting the short end of the stick with Olivia' becoming Olivia (though I was ready to punch him and Walter for their obsessive belief that this is something Peter is doing intentionally).
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