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Mar 31, 2006 15:35

I say this in complete honesty: I would be OVERJOYED if Global Warming were a lie.

I know this is a long shot, but --

Is there anybody reading this journal who believes Global Warming is a lie, a hoax, a myth, or otherwise unsound science, and is willing to articulate that point for me ( Read more... )

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bostonsteamer April 1 2006, 00:31:16 UTC
No.

I'm just amused that this is the first post of yours I've seen with zero comments. So I figured I'd add a comment, so if people see this post has one comment, they might think to themselves "Who's the schmuck who thinks Global Warming is a hoax?" and click through only to read this.

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enolarama April 1 2006, 00:38:11 UTC
Like I just did!

Awesome.

No. But seriously. I try to drive it from my thoughts but every day, as it continues to rain and the weather continues to be abberant and freakish, I can't stop thinking, like a mantra: global warming. we're fucked. global warming. we're fucked. global warming. etc.

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pfarley April 1 2006, 00:54:09 UTC
Yeah. I've been looking through old almanacs, and while the SF Bay has had a few hot Februaries and rainy Marches in the past, they've never occurred together in the same year like this. Today, especially, "just didn't feel right." Hence the post.

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greyaenigma April 1 2006, 00:49:34 UTC
Since the first post is already out of the way, and the ice is broken (so to speak..)

The best argument that I've seen against Global Warming merely takes the position that it's part of a natural cycle, implicitly dismissing the thought that humanity could affect the global climate. The last rational was probably some muttering about "liberal scientists" or somesuch. I don't want to hijack this thread -- but was anyone else really disturbed by the South Park global warming episode? I know crazy hyperbole is their stock and trade, but by painting those concerned about global warming as kneejerk reactionaries, they seemed to paint the picture that global warming was nothing to be concerned about. And on the flip side, The Day After Tomorrow was so absurdly sudden, it does to global warming concerns what Reefer Madness did for marijuana opposition ( ... )

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akkmedk April 1 2006, 01:21:16 UTC
I would have agreed with you on the The Day After Tomorrow point of it being to sudden until I saw a show on the Science Channel about global warming. I know it sounds hokey already, but hear my out.

They posit that the melting of icecaps would change the salinity of the ocean, effectively stopping the "pump" mechanism it now provides through the Atlantic. With water circulation slowed or stopped we would be thrown into a cataclysmic ice age that could fall in a matter of 10 years.

This is obviously cut short for length, as the show was a half hour or hour, but I think you get the idea.

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greyaenigma April 1 2006, 01:35:30 UTC
Yeah, I almost mentioned the salinity issue in response to another comment.

But I've also heard an interview with the scientist who's the major proponent of that theory, and he was somewhere between amused and aghast about Tomorrow. The biggest change in that movie basically happened in a day -- close to 4,000 times faster than his estimate. And civilization would be pretty messed up even an ice age hit within even 100 years.

I think what he was trying to stress was that things would happen a lot faster than we would think -- if we were thinking like a climatologist does. (q.v. my point on temporal myopia and other comments elsewhere about us not be able to make sudden changes -- however, sudden doesn't mean none, just ask the guys that built the Great Wall.)

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akkmedk April 1 2006, 01:46:16 UTC
I ain't madatcha.

I just wanted to include the only knowledge I sort-of have on the issue. TDAT was just a nice segue.

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arielmeadow April 1 2006, 00:49:58 UTC
Those most devil's advocate-y thing I can say is "What do we know about global weather trends? We've only been measuring the weather for a hundred years!" But even I don't believe me.

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greyaenigma April 1 2006, 01:15:46 UTC
You probably don't believe yourself because we actually have a lot of historical evidence, between archaeology, ice core samples, and tree ring measurement.

Every once and a while, I wonder how soon I need to get a house in a higher elevation. Not that it'll help when civilization falls apart, but at least my stuff will be dry.

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mister_borogove April 1 2006, 01:18:29 UTC
I live on a hill in San Francisco. Eventually it will be waterfront property. Then I will sell it at a profit.

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greyaenigma April 1 2006, 01:27:25 UTC
1. Burn fossil fuels
2. ...
3. Profit!

Someone needs to compile all the evil schemes that result in oceanfront property. I think both Superman 78 and A View to a Kill have a plan like that. Although I could be totally misremembering the latter.

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stutefish April 1 2006, 00:57:05 UTC
I actually know a very smart and thoughtful person who believes Global Warming is a myth. I will ask him to elucidate over the weekend.

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