Petrus ANGRY! at lack of +declare/offer use.

[petruspitello]

scene with Joe who doesn't use +declare/offer:
Joe makes every dish in the diner explode.  KABOOM!
Sam goes, "Ack!"
Joe: Such an awesome gift.  Do you want to see a declare?
Sam: Sure

Comments

[petruspitello]

See also: misuse of charged 1-use tokens for 'color' purposes.

[gerard_of_amber]

The flip side of this are people who spam the room over something that could be handwaved.

Fun, innit?

+declare/offer

[deacon_bayle]

I think this command lets the gift or what have you be revealed to those who want to read it without spamming a room.

So if a player's concerned about spam, go about it +declaring in the non-spam fashion.

Re: +declare/offer

[petruspitello]

which generally is going to require at least one line of 'ooc page for declares kthxbye'

1 additional line of 'spam' for saving everyone the chat ain't so bad.

Now, tokens are another issue. Those can't be +declare/offered without spamming the room.

[kynan_r2a]

Many of the Pathi gifts don't lend themselves to +declare/offer too well, as they are meant to be used with +declare/combo. Using /offer will expose the whole gift rather than the relevant section--now, I don't particularly care in most cases, but the whole gift (one of the Terms) is probably in the vicinity of 15-20 lines or so.

And beyond this issue, each use requires a minimum of 3 gifts, and since I can combine freely, I believe that there are single spells I cast that use 8 gifts at once. Hmm, I wonder if I can up with one that uses 10 or even 12? :)

[petruspitello]

A very valid argument, though my experience is usually that if you wind up using one gift combo, other combos tend to make a debut shortly thereafter anyway. In any case, there's nothing preventing you from doing a Joe-type-1 ('Declare of the base effect available, please page') + Joe-type-2 (+declare/offers of all the adder-on gifts you're using)

In any case, if it isn't declared, how do we know you aren't just making stuff up? Or ignoring important restrictions? Intentionally or unintentionally?

Which does happen...

[deacon_bayle]

I don't know about other people but I'm limited on what I do know by what I can access. So unless people make the offer with the declare, I have no idea what they can and cannot do with their various gifts because those gifts are locked to me.

So just from a curiousity standpoint, I like to see the +declare used so I can go Ooooh Shiny!

[petruspitello]

Or, I guess, just plain 'ooc For a metric ton of declares, please page.' Joe-type-1 apparently does make sense sometimes.

[kaukai_rta]

Also remember that any time anyone does anything that makes you go 'Huh?' it is within your rights to ask for the declare.

[petruspitello]

Sometimes when that happens, I get a reply with a paraphrase and am left sort of dumbfounded.

[kaukai_rta]

Perhaps I should have chosen a different word. You can demand the +declare. Lying about what gifts you possess, or what they are capable of, is considered OOC deception about IC matters and is most definitely a breach of good faith.

[evilhat]

Echoing Kaukai:

You are entitled to the formal declare. In fact, I would generally assume that someone who is not willing to show it to you is lying.

+declare/offer makes the gift available to read without spamming people. I highly encourage its use in exactly the way Petrus suggests. Note that the alert for a +declare/offer is less text than paging people to ask if they want to see a declare, and conveniently highlighted by the RPG: so it's easy to edit out of a log.

[taleyn_rta]

Thanks for pointing out the +declare/offer code! I never even realized it existed.

Personally, I love to be spammed by +declares, but I certainly see the functionality of offering instead, especially in large scenes with multiple combatants. Any of which being Kynan. ;D (<3 u, Kynan!!!)

[petruspitello]

Kynan is pretty spectacularly Kynantastic.