Loving The Raw Dark of the Soul

Jun 12, 2012 04:27


This post doesn't really have any point, but these things have been swirling around my head. I had hoped that the thing I'd feel compelled to write on was the construction of women among the fandom, but it was not to be. I need to write this one down lest I obsess the whole day. And I have better things to do. Oh, and before I forget - True Blood ( Read more... )

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Chilling bit of insight anonymous June 12 2012, 00:45:11 UTC
I have been stalking your lj for a couple of weeks, and i have to sincerely thank you for the fresh taste of SVM and for reminding me why I love Sookie and her world.

I loved DITF. This quote about Eric in particular struck me as chilling, and shows what a long way Sookie has come in understanding, if not accepting the vamp world, while certainly not condoning it.

Appius is the scariest mofo in all of SVM, and how anyone can't see that is beyond me.

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Re: Chilling bit of insight peppermintyrose June 12 2012, 07:52:20 UTC
Aww thank you. :D It's one of the nice things about being able to go online and find people - we can all share our crazed obsessions together. :D

I thought DITF was wonderful. Of course, it gives so much insight into what it takes to get through a thousand years and doesn't pull any punches. I think that there isn't really any journey to understanding it as such, but more learning how to form that dichotomy within yourself.

I read people saying all the time "Pfft. Appius wasn't so scary." It makes me shake my head - and also understand why the offenders I read about get away with what they do - they don't do howler monkey evil either. Appius made me shit my pants for Sookie and Eric with his narcissism and his jealousy.

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Re: Chilling bit of insight anonymous June 12 2012, 23:07:19 UTC
Appius is so scary not only because of the evil shit he's already pulled, but also because of the power he has over Eric. He can compell him to kill his own wife, child and anyone else he fancies. And for someone as narcissistic and disturbed as Appius, he can be unpredictable and spiteful.

This post made me think about another you had made a while back, about good vs. bad vampire or Eric vs. Bubba. While Bubba's condition has great perks - going into homes uninvited, ability to follow orders to a fault... - that render him very useful to other vamps, Alexei is every maker's nightmare. He carried such a great burden that made him so dysfunctional he ultimately lead to his maker's downfall.

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Re: Chilling bit of insight peppermintyrose June 13 2012, 05:27:34 UTC
Oh definitely - he's scary because he's used to doing what he wants, and what he wants to do is not good stuff. The sheer amount of power he has by being an old vampire - yikes. And then to have two vampires in the room completely under his thrall. Ugh. And I can see him seeing Sookie as unjust competition. It's so good he's dead.

I think that Bubba's perks are only possible because he's not like other vampires. I don't know that you'd want Alexei to have those powers, at all. And Alexei is so used up and mistreated that I think Appius couldn't understand how much of that damage he'd caused. And the fact that he looks like a boy only helped him with the stealth attacks.

Lol - most anons forget, particularly if you're used to being logged in places. :D

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anonymous June 12 2012, 03:38:40 UTC
You've managed to provoke me out of lurking with this post ( ... )

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peppermintyrose June 12 2012, 08:04:38 UTC
Well, that's a plus for me - although I'm glad you didn't come out of lurk mode just to rant at me. I play Russian Roulette with that all the time ( ... )

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anonymous June 12 2012, 10:00:09 UTC
Maybe I'm overly mellow, but I'd struggle to find something to rant at in this post. Must try harder!

My poorly expressed point about the paedophilia was more that it seems to be about the power he has over his children, whether actual children or not. Another interesting thought - a 13 year old in the Viking age would probably be moving into adulthood; I'd read the references to the boy as not being about physical age as much as emotional age.

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peppermintyrose June 12 2012, 10:31:18 UTC
Oh, I will inevitably jam my thumb into people's buttholes. I'm good like that. :D

:D I think though that Appius has more control over his vampire children than any parent ever has over an actual child. So it's not just as easy as a parental human relationship. And certainly, I think Eric has shown that he can change enough to see Alexei as a boy now, when he wouldn't have in his own time.

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the_real_e_f_m June 12 2012, 06:55:04 UTC
I think you are too hard on yourself to say this post doesn't really have a point. After reading through, which I need to do again to absorb more thoroughly, I thought it was excellent. I also have to go back and click the links.
Sookie's always known Eric has plenty of 'raw darks' in his soul. In DuD she gets a glimpse of the thoughts that live there - the 'pit of snakes' as she calls it. She must have had many, many glimpses like that into a lot of people.
She's in a unique position of knowing, really knowing, that everyone is capable of the same kind of thoughts in relation to the Appius/Alexei/Eric situation.
If you skip the messy bits you don't get to see all the layers to the characters. I'm OK if people want to do that - just don't say CH doesn't know what she's doing! Give me imperfect Eric any day.

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peppermintyrose June 12 2012, 08:16:51 UTC
Lol - I'm goal orientated. :D I didn't really go into this with a supposition to prove, just ruminating over things we know. :D ( ... )

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anonymous June 12 2012, 13:37:30 UTC
Eric a White Knight?
He was a viking. Vikings had sex with men, and as long as you were the "male" part that was OK, claim that somebody was "a woman" was an insult.
I laughed at the part in TB were Lafayette is nasty to Bill because Bill was a slaveowner or had neighbours who were, then went to work with ERIC, who not only had slaves, but probably stole people himself and traded in them. He probably raped women on raids as well. That is what men "In viking" did.
Thralls could be beaten, killed, sacrificed and raped, I am not sure were the limits of apropriate behaviour were. Damaging other people's property was not OK, and not people who were free men, belonged to you own group, but "kill an Englishman for free, no fine", so changing this into "Vampires First" probably was not very hard for Eric.
One could probably also argue that Eric probably raped Pam, he kills her and when she wakes upp he has sex with her, "seduction" or not he definitely never asked her consent.

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peppermintyrose June 12 2012, 14:32:38 UTC
Heh - you'd be surprised at just how much Eric can be deified. He doesn't bring a birthday present for Sookie, she is a bitch. Fangirl contortions can always surprise ( ... )

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anonymous June 12 2012, 22:44:03 UTC
Eric wanted a new wife not only to care for and raise his children, but to run his farm and keep the thralls in line.
Pam does not give any details, and you are right about her right to decide what it was. At the same time, being made a vampire strikes me a bit, more than a bit, like being drugged and brainwashed, enslaved to your maker. Eric clearly was nicer than Ocella, but Eric still loved him, a very mixed bag of feelings there ...

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peppermintyrose June 13 2012, 05:33:06 UTC
Oh of course. But I don't think that Eric was as blind to the troubles of his thralls, as brutal to them as he assented to in the vampire world.

She says that Eric gave her a choice, and that she made the decision. But yeah - the connection, the newness of the state, and for Pam, the intoxicating freedom make it not quite so clear cut. And Pam still skips over Sookie pointing out that Eric murdered her - which to me tells me that she hasn't quite resolved that one. She may enjoy what she is now, and looking at Victorian England for women, I don't blame her. But that doesn't absolve Eric who did it because he was lonely.

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anonymous June 13 2012, 00:53:04 UTC
For me personally, without Sookie’s POV, Eric is just a big scary dude doing scary stuff. Obviously, Eric exists in his own right, but it’s largely Sookie’s ability to integrate all aspects of his personality-the good, the bad, and the ugly-that makes him appealing to me. And I agree-how much more loving could Sookie be? JanineMNM

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peppermintyrose June 13 2012, 05:36:17 UTC
Lol - yes, he is indeed. He's a big scary dude - and outside of Sookie's loving POV, I think he would scare the living shit out of most people. If they got past the surface of course. Eric has been using his looks just like every other vampire.

I agree that her ability to make him an attractive prospect is what makes him appealing to most readers. For myself, I just want to get in there and poke around in that sort of criminal mind. That's like the Holy Grail for me - 1000 years of justifying fucking other people over - and I think I would find him repellent and fascinating.

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anonymous June 13 2012, 09:23:43 UTC
Lol. All right, make that a good-looking, big scary dude. ;)

He’d make a great case study. "Poor Eric," under the microscope like that. ;)

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peppermintyrose June 13 2012, 09:31:19 UTC
I always try to remember their tactics to disarm folks. :D

Lol - he would drain me in a heartbeat. I ask enough questions to make poor Mr. Minty blush, let alone badgering a thousand year old vampire with the toddler like "But why?" :D

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