Like I said, I'm not sure the general idea of a fic about Laura's legacy has been nullified, but it won't involve universities and professional historians, I suspect. :( I still fully intend to write it, though!
I just...don't know what to think about Laura's death. I'm not ragey--I think I got most of my Laura-related rage out of my system a few episodes ago and that has allowed me to be more zen about all of this--but I am terribly disappointed. Perhaps most disappointed because I almost don't care, and to feel that kind of blankness at the death of one of my all-time favorite fictional characters is absolutely heartbreaking.
As much as we have not seen eye-to-eye on this season up to this point, I think I can say quite firmly that we are on exactly the same page with this one. This is definitely battling it out with "Endgame" for the DO NOT WANT finale awards.
Ah, well. It has been an interesting chapter of our lives, and while I may not be terribly thrilled with how it is concluding, I cannot be at all sad about having had it around to begin with. It's been a hell of a ride.
while I may not be terribly thrilled with how it is concluding, I cannot be at all sad about having had it around to begin with. It's been a hell of a ride.
Oh, certainly! And as disappointed as I am in the finale, I still think that the series through the beginning of season 3 is consistently excellent and mindblowing, and if it's less consistent after that, it still had lots of excellent and mindblowing stretches right up through 4.10. And I prefer to remember the good times!
I mean, not so much that the show's been going downhill since the New Caprica exodus because while I'm sketchy about the middle of season three, I love the crazy religious stuff and Maelstrom through Revelations are, in my opinion, awesome.
I just. I don't know.
Like everything else I hate about 4.5, what I hate most is the parts I don't hate. I can't just end it at Revelations because there's The Oath and Kara burning her own body and No Exit and the moment All Along the Watchtower starts getting played on the piano. And even in this bloated, self-indulgent piece of idiocy, we have Gaius Frakking Baltar moving me (except his proselytizing, yes; but at least Cavil was unmoved and demanded something tangible). We have perhaps one of the most poignant and true things ever uttered by Caprica, "I always wanted to be proud of you."
We have a beautiful tonal coda which also makes NO SENSE either from a fear-of-technology-perspective, a planning-perspective and ESPECIALLY a colonialist perspective
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I do agree with you in large part about 4.5--I think there were more parts of it that you liked, but I didn't hate it all. I'm just not sure the good bits outweighed the bad enough that I particularly want to rewatch it. As for whether it's been going downhill since season 3, I feel like for me, the trajectory of the show is as follows: mini-New Caprica were, with some notable hiccups, consistently excellent, and more often than not, rather mindblowing. The rest of season 3 was overall of lower quality, but still with some pretty cool bits. 4.0 was better than 3 in general and contained several wonderful episodes and lots of crunchy mytharc stuff, but overall I felt it wasn't as strong as anything before the Pegasus arc, and perhaps not as strong as anything before the New Caprica arc. So I don't see it as having been getting steadily worse since early s3: rather, despite regaining some ground after that, it still never returned to its former glory. And then 4.5 has been more bad than good
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Yeah, I mean...I actually think that the Home arc is overrated *ducks flying objects* and that the second half of S2 suffered from pacing issues although not to quite the degree that the middle section of S3 did. But I do agree with you mostly. While I love S4.0 almost unreservedly, a lot of that's because the specific crazy religious stuff it's doing hit a whole bunch of my kinks rather than actually managing the amounts of political commentary it used to. It's just that if S4 was, in its entirety, an awesome season of bizarre mind-bending technological commentary and mythic symbolism, I was prepared to forgive it the lack of, well, sane political and religious and social commentary? ALAS
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I'm a lot more calm about the whole thing than I would have been if I hadn't gotten all of my rage about Laura out of my system a couple of weeks ago. I'm still angry about the way she died, but it's more of a dull ache than a hot rage.
But I'd thought that even if they ruined Laura, they might still get some of the rest of it right, and ultimately there was almost no point at which the payoff lived up to the promise. I was quite satisfied with the ending for Caprica and Baltar, but that was pretty much it. So disappointing! I'd hoped there might be some room for them to salvage some bits of awesome out of the ever-growing pile of WTF that has been 4.5, but apparently not.
is that even the three female cylon that have survived, have all been killed off in spectacular fashion along the way to serve the plotOh, excellent point! I hadn't thought of that--ugh! I mean, I did yell "you killed Ellen yourself!" at Tigh when he told Tyrol he'd have avenged Ellen's death in the same fashion that Tyrol did Cally's. But I hadn't put the full
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Yes. Exactly that. I am too exhausted to put what I felt watching the finale in words... and you just went and said what I wanted to say anyway. I am not as bitter now about the finale as I was last night, but I remain disappointed.
Disappointed is my keyword here, too, I think. I did bitter and ragey a couple of weeks ago about Laura, and I think I got the high emotion mostly worked out of my system. Now my anger is more a dull ache, and I'm just, yes, disappointed. And in some ways that's the worst: not that I want to be full of capslocky rage or anything, but I've loved this show enough that I ought to feel something stronger at this point than dull disappointment and relief that at least at this point it can't get any worse.
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I just...don't know what to think about Laura's death. I'm not ragey--I think I got most of my Laura-related rage out of my system a few episodes ago and that has allowed me to be more zen about all of this--but I am terribly disappointed. Perhaps most disappointed because I almost don't care, and to feel that kind of blankness at the death of one of my all-time favorite fictional characters is absolutely heartbreaking.
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Ah, well. It has been an interesting chapter of our lives, and while I may not be terribly thrilled with how it is concluding, I cannot be at all sad about having had it around to begin with. It's been a hell of a ride.
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Oh, certainly! And as disappointed as I am in the finale, I still think that the series through the beginning of season 3 is consistently excellent and mindblowing, and if it's less consistent after that, it still had lots of excellent and mindblowing stretches right up through 4.10. And I prefer to remember the good times!
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I mean, not so much that the show's been going downhill since the New Caprica exodus because while I'm sketchy about the middle of season three, I love the crazy religious stuff and Maelstrom through Revelations are, in my opinion, awesome.
I just. I don't know.
Like everything else I hate about 4.5, what I hate most is the parts I don't hate. I can't just end it at Revelations because there's The Oath and Kara burning her own body and No Exit and the moment All Along the Watchtower starts getting played on the piano. And even in this bloated, self-indulgent piece of idiocy, we have Gaius Frakking Baltar moving me (except his proselytizing, yes; but at least Cavil was unmoved and demanded something tangible). We have perhaps one of the most poignant and true things ever uttered by Caprica, "I always wanted to be proud of you."
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But I'd thought that even if they ruined Laura, they might still get some of the rest of it right, and ultimately there was almost no point at which the payoff lived up to the promise. I was quite satisfied with the ending for Caprica and Baltar, but that was pretty much it. So disappointing! I'd hoped there might be some room for them to salvage some bits of awesome out of the ever-growing pile of WTF that has been 4.5, but apparently not.
is that even the three female cylon that have survived, have all been killed off in spectacular fashion along the way to serve the plotOh, excellent point! I hadn't thought of that--ugh! I mean, I did yell "you killed Ellen yourself!" at Tigh when he told Tyrol he'd have avenged Ellen's death in the same fashion that Tyrol did Cally's. But I hadn't put the full ( ... )
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