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Sep 07, 2011 19:50


I would like to know how we can get anything said at all if, before we even open the virtual equivalent of our mouths, we are judged by whatever forum or platform we use to host our statements on. Lately I've seen LJ users flinging mock-insults at Tumblr users, the internet at large tut-tutting LJ users, and so on, all based upon the assumption ( Read more... )

essays, control control control, intertextuality to the rescue!, meta is life, we do need some education, links, the internet is really really great

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missmonkeh September 7 2011, 19:15:41 UTC
Nothing is automatically "better" by virtue of being respectably published, and the amount of times this attitude is seen, not to mention presented as something that shouldn't be questioned in the first place, is frankly disturbing.

This. The number of blogs I've read that have been far better quality than their print equivalents (newspapers, I suppose, and magazines) both in terms of actual writing and research...well, and that's without even touching on "derivative" fiction and fanworks, which we both have strong ideas about.

It's snobbery, of course, and the idea that because you don't have to be editor-approved to publish on the internet means your writing is automatically of a lower quality.

ALSO, YOU HAVE BEEN MISSED. I HOPE YOU'RE WELL.

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oudeteron September 7 2011, 20:20:30 UTC
Thanks for commenting, and I'm glad we're in the same boat. All this seems to me like something that shouldn't even need to be said - and yet, and yet.

I MISS YOU TOO, AND OTHERS WHO-KNOW-WHO-THEY-ARE FROM PCHAT. Been very busy/stressed almost all the time but I'll definitely be around more when I can!

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missmonkeh September 7 2011, 23:20:30 UTC
SENDING STRESS-RELIEVING GOODNESS YOUR WAY. Hope to see more of you when it's all over, and best of luck for the rest of the exams!

(it always bears repeating, and while there remain those who denigrate blogging and fanfiction and related forms of writing as 'lesser', it always will. We can only hope it might sink in someday)

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oudeteron September 8 2011, 12:00:58 UTC
THANK YOU VERY MUCH INDEED. I'll do what I can to get it to a point where I don't have to restrict my time for this or that, but right now it's still hanging over me. XD

(Yeah, you're absolutely right.)

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kohl_eyed September 7 2011, 20:34:43 UTC
I regret that my brain is not in working order today and I can't offer up the discussion and proper praise this deserves, but I do want to say how much I admire your eloquence!

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oudeteron September 7 2011, 21:01:28 UTC
Thank you. I've been feeling non-eloquent lately (and yet I'm writing these things, what!) so this is incredibly reassuring. :D

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anactoria September 8 2011, 09:18:20 UTC
Dammit, where's that clapping .gif?

I have ~*many thoughts*~ about this, mostly in the same vein as yours, but of course I had to click on this 5 mins before leaving for the opticians. Maybe I'll drop by to agree some more later. ;)

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oudeteron September 8 2011, 11:50:38 UTC
I know which one you mean! XD

Hope your appointment goes well, and don't worry about it unless there's anything in particular you'd like to say here. I'm very glad you agree.

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anactoria September 8 2011, 18:22:05 UTC
Hello again. ;) Well, what this really put me in mind of was a conference I attended earlier in the year. The last presenter on the first day was a really young guy (an MA student), and after he'd given his paper I heard quite a few people being very disparaging because he'd referred to TVTropes in his presentation. I'm not talking about silver-haired old professors, mind -- they were fellow PhD students, in the 20-30 age bracket ( ... )

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oudeteron September 8 2011, 23:27:26 UTC
Hey! :D Thanks for sharing this experience since it's certainly enlightening on people's attitudes, to say the least. Also, wow.

But the fact that people were so ready to dismiss the paper completely because the guy had referred to something online that wasn't an academic journal (you know, the kind that you can only access with a subscription costing several hundreds of pounds annually, so you've got no chance if you're not part of an institution...) was kind of depressing.

Can I just say "this" over and over? Because, yeah, the fact alone that the journals considered "respectable" are again restricted and dependent on either money or institutional support illustrates the point perfectly. It's so obviously about what's seen as legitimate and what isn't by some arbitrary consensus that it's not even funny. And then they go and make it less available ( ... )

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cowgirlmaxwell September 8 2011, 12:59:03 UTC
the internet at large tut-tutting LJ users
Matey, I've seen this happen even before I joined LJ. I think it's just the nature of the internet to try and establish one community's superiority over the other (think 4chan's contempt for Reddit ( ... )

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cowgirlmaxwell September 8 2011, 13:26:09 UTC
Second comment, because the first one was getting too long:

Re: Dragon Age- I haven't played it (on my to-play list), but I really think using one person's opinion as a deal-breaker is unwise; if you feel strongly about the incorrect handling of issues in a game, I think experiencing it yourself is better than being an angry outsider. Actually playing through those problematic parts is far more ideal than actually simply reading about them in an article by someone who seems to have a huge bias against these issues (keeping in mind I'm in my objective-analytical mindset here), because it will give context that you won't be able to get by simply watching/reading about standalone scenes. Maybe it's supposed to be some sort of sick parody of the views held by rape apologists/transphobic people/etc? I don't know where I'm going with this because again, I haven't actually played it, but it seems a little bit unwise to disregard the whole thing on the basis of one persons' opinion ( ... )

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oudeteron September 8 2011, 20:02:30 UTC
Well, I have to take an issue with this. For one, the article writer isn't just "stating an opinion". It is not biased to point out that something is (as in this case) transphobic; it's just speaking against a kind of bigotry that has become so prevalent in mainstream culture that solely criticizing it/calling it out for what it is gets one labelled as biased, the way you've just done here. I am all for debate when there's something to debate - but there is no "other side" to respecting people's gender and not playing it up for cheap laughs that isn't entrenched in transphobic tropes. Either you do respect how others identify, or you don't. Putting their gender in scare quotes and making them the butt of a joke that has zero relevance to the actual plot isn't respectful by any stretch. That's not to mention that movies/games/books/etc. get a free pass on casual bigotry like this all the time by default, so giving it the benefit of the doubt isn't just being nice and seeing where it gets you, but actively contributing to a climate ( ... )

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cowgirlmaxwell September 9 2011, 08:18:28 UTC
it's just speaking against a kind of bigotry that has become so prevalent in mainstream culture that solely criticizing it/calling it out for what it is gets one labelled as biased, the way you've just done here.
I don't really have much to say about this post, but I just want to pick up on what you said here- I am lead to believe you are implying that bias is a negative thing. I wasn't saying that because the article shows great evidence of bias that it is not saying anything worthwhile/true, I was just noting the fact that it is not just a factual piece. There's nothing wrong with bias! Yes, there is lots of factual evidence in the article, but it's not all factual information; it is important to acknowledge that there is a large amount of opinionated and emotive language used. I was simply trying to encourage you do give the game a shot regardless- and after you encounter said morally incorrect scenes/anything else you have issue with that wasn't mentioned in the article, you could contact Bioware about it, or write your own ( ... )

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imagines September 11 2011, 00:49:02 UTC
I am nuzzling this post so hard you don't even know

There is a whole host of classist and elitist attitudes inherent in the idea that, say, a piece of writing can only be validated by approval by an institution that expects it to bring back monetary revenue.THESE ARE GOOD WORDS AND YOU SHOULD FEEL GOOD. HOLY SHIT. You have given me some things to think about. You have also strengthened my resolve to continue posting what I write online. Yes, I would like to make money off my writing, but NOT at the expense of a) my freedom to say what I want how I want and b) the free dissemination of words to anyone who cares to read them. (Ideally, I would offer my writing as "pay what you want" or on some kind of sliding scale-for instance, a PDF download that's free + a paper copy sold for a minor profit ( ... )

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oudeteron September 13 2011, 20:19:44 UTC
askhl; EXCUSE THE KEYBOARDSMASH but thank you for this comment; you have no idea how much you've cheered me up here. Thank you. With pieces like this, the best I can hope for is to make someone think, so all you've said here makes me inordinately happy.

Yes, I would like to make money off my writing, but NOT at the expense of a) my freedom to say what I want how I want and b) the free dissemination of words to anyone who cares to read them. (Ideally, I would offer my writing as "pay what you want" or on some kind of sliding scale-for instance, a PDF download that's free + a paper copy sold for a minor profit.)
That's how I feel about this as well. Ultimately, I think that money would be nice, but making it the priority of writing is always going to come with concessions. And once you've made those concessions, are you still saying anything we haven't heard before? That to me is the main problem - mainstream publishing coinciding with the establishment while reaching a huge amount of people, a lot of whom don't look beyond the ( ... )

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