...or was that a rhetorical question?ladiesbaneMarch 8 2006, 04:18:40 UTC
To put the shoe on the other hoof: why do so many guys (and these are the regular, decent guys) moon after girls who are not simply imperious and bossy, but mean as rancid cat shit? I have known swell, normal fellas who melt in the presence of a girl whose motto is "bring me - buy me - do me" and who will not take lip. Name calling, physical abuse, and foul manners only seem to attract them more. And if li'l ol' Scarlett O'Hara slaps his face, sleeps with his brother, drains the bank account and runs off, he had BETTER NOT find another girl, because then he's scum. Et cetera
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Re: ...or was that a rhetorical question?optimsprmMarch 8 2006, 04:21:57 UTC
You pose a very good question
I don't think that many men have the mental, physical, or emotional ability to see that deeply into ourselves without someone to hold up the proverbial mirror. Thinking about it for a moment, I realise that much the same thing happened to me while I was in HS, and while I'm ashamed to admit to it, I'd like to think that I was strong enough to do so.
Re: ...or was that a rhetorical question?ladiesbaneMarch 8 2006, 04:55:22 UTC
Sorry, mate; didn't mean to poke an old wound. I have always had more male friends than female, and my heart broke for my buddies who were enslaved by female Napoleons. It's easy to crave a strong woman and be attracted, by mistake, to someone with a weak character but LOTS of it. Wit and fire do not make someone a stand-up girl, but a foul temper and sharp tongue can be deceiving.
I wouldn't wish evil on anyone (hello, Karma!) but people are so often disappointed when they acquire exactly what they wanted (or thought they wanted) and fought to get.
Do dogs chase cars because they know how to drive?
(Apologies for the excess verbiage -- short night, hard day, big mouth. Thanks for allowing me the soapbox.)
Re: ...or was that a rhetorical question?optimsprmMarch 8 2006, 05:02:48 UTC
No, you did not open up any old wounds, any more than I do on a daily basis ^_^
I was not being sarcastic (no really) when I said thanks, I'm always grateful when someone points out to me another way of looking at things, as I always try to look at any issue from as many angles as my mind will allow, and I am always thankful to get another way to look at things.
And, one of these days I"m going to have to make a phone post using my Milton Voice, cause I've perfected it down to a "Tee"
You know, I was going to chime in with this whole thing....but ladiesbane beat me to it. So yeah....what she said. :-D
I don't get the phenom, either, no matter which gender you're talking about. Me, I prefer a guy who knows how to have a good time, but will also treat me well. Someone with a little backbone, who appreciates MINE.
As others above have said, it does indeed work both ways. Aside from the sarcasam and swearing (both of which I know how and when to turn off, thankyouveryfuckingmuch), I'm the kind of girl you'd be proud to take home to Mom. And yet I'm mostly passed by for the bimbos and psychos. And I won't lie, I've also passed up a very good thing or two for a complete fuckstick as well. But then, it's in my nature to fuck myself over royaly. It's a talent.
Really, I think it's got a lot to do with the "bad boy, but has a heart of gold" imagery we're fed. Dirty Dancing, Breakfast Club, an assload of romantic comedies... Sure, they're all bad on the outside, but they're all warm and sweet and gooey on the inside. Like a brownie. Really, we swear. And if he's not, you can change that with the MAJIK OF LUV!
And there goes my cynisism again. And I wonder why I'm single...
What a hoot! I agree on all counts. Girls are angels who can redeem misunderstood bad boys with the magic of loving them no matter WHAT heinous deeds they perpetrate -- and every bad boy secretly wants a prissy girl who will change him into Ward Cleaver. Oh, sure.
On the other hand, there aren't so many "good guys" out there with wicked grins, balls-out attitudes, brains for days, and any kind of style. (I'm not talking about appearances, either, and include females as well as males in the generic "guys".)
(On a side note: though some may sneer at foul language, I cuss like a mechanic and enjoy it. My beef is with the person who roundly curses his or her mate, being both personally offensive and derogatory. If one gets to the point of addressing one's significant other as "a useless goddamn piece of shit", I think the breakup should be immediate, agreed upon by both parties and ratified by Motel 6.) (This rule does not apply in the South, for obvious reasons.)
A lot of people have already made good points, but I'm feeling a mite bit compelled to add my own two cents to the pile.
Personally, I think all people like things that are bad for them, and that occasionally includes other people. It's like everyone has a need to be dominated, but not everyone wants to engage in bondage. So instead of just getting their domination done in a straightforward fashion, we take it in forms that society can handle a wee bit better; some crazy chick who wants all the males' attention but flips if another girl even glances at her man, a man who constantly tells his girlfriend that she needs to lose weight while scarfing down another Whopper, ad nauseum.
Of course, I might be full of shit. It's always possible.
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Oh, and thanks for the subsequent pictures. I love the ribbons pinned to things that probably shouldn't be punctured.
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I don't think that many men have the mental, physical, or emotional ability to see that deeply into ourselves without someone to hold up the proverbial mirror. Thinking about it for a moment, I realise that much the same thing happened to me while I was in HS, and while I'm ashamed to admit to it, I'd like to think that I was strong enough to do so.
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I wouldn't wish evil on anyone (hello, Karma!) but people are so often disappointed when they acquire exactly what they wanted (or thought they wanted) and fought to get.
Do dogs chase cars because they know how to drive?
(Apologies for the excess verbiage -- short night, hard day, big mouth. Thanks for allowing me the soapbox.)
P.S. I believe you have my stapler....
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I was not being sarcastic (no really) when I said thanks, I'm always grateful when someone points out to me another way of looking at things, as I always try to look at any issue from as many angles as my mind will allow, and I am always thankful to get another way to look at things.
And, one of these days I"m going to have to make a phone post using my Milton Voice, cause I've perfected it down to a "Tee"
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I don't get the phenom, either, no matter which gender you're talking about. Me, I prefer a guy who knows how to have a good time, but will also treat me well. Someone with a little backbone, who appreciates MINE.
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Really, I think it's got a lot to do with the "bad boy, but has a heart of gold" imagery we're fed. Dirty Dancing, Breakfast Club, an assload of romantic comedies... Sure, they're all bad on the outside, but they're all warm and sweet and gooey on the inside. Like a brownie. Really, we swear. And if he's not, you can change that with the MAJIK OF LUV!
And there goes my cynisism again. And I wonder why I'm single...
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On the other hand, there aren't so many "good guys" out there with wicked grins, balls-out attitudes, brains for days, and any kind of style. (I'm not talking about appearances, either, and include females as well as males in the generic "guys".)
(On a side note: though some may sneer at foul language, I cuss like a mechanic and enjoy it. My beef is with the person who roundly curses his or her mate, being both personally offensive and derogatory. If one gets to the point of addressing one's significant other as "a useless goddamn piece of shit", I think the breakup should be immediate, agreed upon by both parties and ratified by Motel 6.) (This rule does not apply in the South, for obvious reasons.)
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Personally, I think all people like things that are bad for them, and that occasionally includes other people. It's like everyone has a need to be dominated, but not everyone wants to engage in bondage. So instead of just getting their domination done in a straightforward fashion, we take it in forms that society can handle a wee bit better; some crazy chick who wants all the males' attention but flips if another girl even glances at her man, a man who constantly tells his girlfriend that she needs to lose weight while scarfing down another Whopper, ad nauseum.
Of course, I might be full of shit. It's always possible.
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