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schmutzigs April 24 2012, 23:45:00 UTC
the sad thing is that it is in the advantage of (dutch) politicans to uphold these prejudices. it is unpopular to humanize those people commonly seen as related to the islam.

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little_rachael April 25 2012, 03:48:29 UTC
"Muslim women are being denied jobs and girls prevented from attending regular classes just because they wear traditional forms of dress, such as the headscarf."

Okay, the reason behind banning traditional garb is the misapprehension that it's degrading to women, right? Well, let's say one of the women wearing traditional dress is actually being oppressed by her family. How the hell is denying her a job or an education going to empower her? If anything, these bans are hurting women, not empowering them.

I've heard a lot of nasty comments from people in Europe about Muslims, so this doesn't surprise me at all. And yes, it's high time the government did something about it.

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kaowolfie April 25 2012, 07:56:08 UTC
Dude, *exactly*. If people are really concerned about women being controlled and preventing from practicing self-determination, one of the best ways to combat that is to educate them.

But of course, nobody in politics is really concerned about Muslim women. Muslimahs are just a convenient reason to hate on scary foreigners, especially the brown ones.

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belkisa April 25 2012, 09:23:38 UTC
ikr? if a woman is forced to wear the hijab a hijab ban won't help her case at all. it makes it just worse, because she will have no chance for education or a job.

this ban is so hypocritical. most muslim woman wear the hijab by choice and by banning the hijab you force them to take off a piece of clothes, that is important to them. how is that different from the men who force their women to wear it?

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little_rachael April 25 2012, 16:42:42 UTC
That, too. I remember seeing a cartoon of a woman wearing a bikini and sunglasses and a woman wearing a niqab passing each other. The woman in the bikini is thinking, "Everything covered but her eyes. What a cruel, male-dominated culture!" and the woman in the niqab is thinking, "Nothing covered but her eyes. What a cruel, male-dominated culture!" To me, it's a poignant reminder that freedom means different things to different women, and that patriarchy seeks to deny it to all of us. (I don't know if that's what the artist intended; perhaps they meant it as a jab at feminism. But that's the meaning I got from it.)

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baked_goldfish April 25 2012, 14:21:59 UTC
ETA: wow this comment was in the wrong post entirely.

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