Clinton wants Megrahi back in Scottish jail

Oct 24, 2011 18:41

Clinton wants Megrahi back in Scottish jail

usa, hillary clinton, scotland, libya

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chaya October 24 2011, 17:51:26 UTC
Your bolding html is borked at the end.

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mirhanda October 24 2011, 17:52:33 UTC
The font of the article is so small that I can't read it. I have my friends page set up to show in a larger than normal font, but your formatting is over-riding my preferences on my friends page.

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maclyn October 24 2011, 17:55:41 UTC
I just c&ped it from the website, didn't add any formatting, but I went back in and raised the font size a little and fixed the bolding at the end. Hopefully that'll work?

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mirhanda October 24 2011, 17:56:53 UTC
I refreshed my friends page and it looks exactly the same, miniscule.

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theciz October 24 2011, 17:55:01 UTC
Dear USA: For once in your life, butt out. Please. It's not your call.

On a formatting front, I'm seeing the font in normal size?

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theciz October 24 2011, 18:02:38 UTC
Oooh, it got bigger!

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theciz October 24 2011, 18:04:38 UTC
And by butt out I mean that, yes, America's view should be taken into account, but they can't just go around demanding things that aren't in their jurisdiction in another state's legal system. That is not cool.

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liret October 24 2011, 17:59:38 UTC
I don't understand the idea that only the UK gets an opinion on this. It was an attack by Libyan terrorists against an American airline going from London to NYC, with people from over 30 countries killed. Of course jurisdiction is complicated, and even though I think it's fair Scotland got the final authority, it doesn't mean everyone else has to pretend they don't have a legitimate interest in the case.

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maclyn October 24 2011, 18:08:08 UTC
They have an interest, but all of the announcements since his release have basically been demands for the UK government to override a Scottish decision, or straight up demands for the US to get its way with what happens to him, which completely ignores the independence and authority of the Scottish justice system. The crime happened over Scottish airspace and then on Scottish soil - there was years of wrangling over how and where the trial should be held, and we ended up with the Camp Zeist trial.

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sashwizzled October 25 2011, 08:25:09 UTC
The USA gets an opinion, yes. Which it has expressed. Many. Many. Many times. A lot more than any other country with a stake in the issue. And this is despite no indication that stomping their feet and screaming I WANT is going to make the British government give in to their demands.

Also, them trying to go over the head of the Scottish government to David Cameron is just goddamned annoying. That's like mummy telling you you can't have ice cream, so you go to daddy instead. I pulled that shit when I was 5.

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fenjer October 24 2011, 18:01:57 UTC
If she wants to pay to put him back in a Scottish jail, and pay to house his ENTIRE family while he lingers here waiting to die then she can jolly well carry on.

Leave him where he is to die.

The politics of the decision is beyond me, I mean I suspect there is a lot of underhand and double dealings going on. And I do think he was freed under terms other than "compassionate grounds". They knew the man had years to live.

But Mrs Clinton wants "justice" for the Americans who died in the tragedy,personally I dont think the location of his death matters. He's dying. Justice will never be served fully, especially now that Gaddafi has been disposed of.

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maclyn October 24 2011, 18:06:28 UTC
I think tbh that's a little conspiracy theory-ish. Compassionate release is a normal part of the Scottish justice system, and the doctors who assessed him judged him to be terminal and not to have long. Since he's been in Libya he's had access to drugs which the NHS here does not provide, which have gone some way to prolonging his life, but he's been in and out of comas and is really on his last legs.

Quite apart from all that, a lot of people reasonably believe he's innocent, and the SCCRC believes there's enough of a doubt, and enough question of the fairness of the Camp Zeist trial, to massively doubt the original conviction.

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gildinwen October 24 2011, 18:13:55 UTC
^this^ the people who wanted him back in jail have pointed to the fact he's survived long than was orginally expected. Well *yeah*. that's because being in jail is not great for someone who has terminal cancer. Add to access to better medication and of course he'll survive longer...still it doesn't mean it wasn't the right thing to do to release him

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fenjer October 24 2011, 18:20:24 UTC
You may think it's conspiracy theory-ish, but I dont.

I'm well aware of the conspiracy theories that are around in regards to this, and having lost friends in this disaster I've done a LOT of reading about it, from all sides and all view points.

There was more to his release than compassion - yes that played a part in it, and yes lots of people believe he was innocent, I am not one of those people.

I'm also well aware that he had access to additional and different medication after leaving Scotland. Do you not think that would have been considered in the release process?

And even though I believe there is a level of guilt, I believe he was involved and knew what he was doing etc, I am happy for him to live out his dying and numbered days in Lybia.

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