I think my problems with the article is that 1) Yeah, being a straight guy in a gay chorus? Should not be winning you awards/attention. I get the message that they're trying to show how inclusive the choir is, but instead, they're pretty much focusing on how the straight guy is the ~minority~ in this group, when really, he's not and this shouldn't be getting that much attention, in my opinion.
2) "Outside the chorus, Bell says, "many friends got why I'm doing this right away, although some people back where I grew up didn't fully understand. But I stood my ground. I told them just because you're in a gay chorus doesn't mean you're gay. I'm here because it's an outstanding chorus."
Let me fix that for you, guy! "But I stood my ground. I told them that it doesn't matter if it's a gay chorus; it's an outstanding one." Defending people's perception of your orientation over defending the chorus as a whole? Side-eye. :/
I was half side-eying throughout this article and I can't put my finger on it.
I know what you mean. I think that it's because the article doesn't explore the reality that a traditionally queer space is slowly opening itself to straight people. I'm sure our two straight guys are lovely people, and I'll even concede that the acceptance is probably mostly genuine, but I'm also sure that in a group of over 200 people there are a few who are uncomfortable. I can't blame them. They are not wrong for feeling that way.
The LGTBQ choir that several of my friends were in had a couple of straight guys in it, but they were kids of gay parents and part of our community. And while I'm comfortable with that, I'm kind of wary of opening up queer groups to straight people.
eh, i see where you're coming from, but i'm similarly wary of a group of people who are discriminated against deciding to discriminate against a person due to their group membership
(even if said person is a member of a group that doesn't suffer from discrimination, e.g. straight people)
i should clarify that i'm not saying "waah, straight people, so hard for them to get by"
it's just that, if i found a group of people who i got along with, whose camraderie i valued and who's prescence was a strong, positive influence in my life, and that group of people felt the same about me, i don't see why i should be excluded from that group based on something arbitrary.
discrimination in general makes me really upset and uncomfortable. discrimination of minority groups is worse, obviously, but i just don't see why any discrimination is useful or necessary.
and i'm not saying that all white people should be invited into all minority groups, and all straight people should be invited into all LGTBQ groups, but why be wary of opening the group up to individuals who are a good fit?
(sorry if this is semi-incoherent, didn't sleep last night, apparently my brain decided it would be better to pass the time staring at the ceiling waiting to sleep)
If a minority group doesn't want to allow someone of the majority group in because it makes them uncomfortable and unsafe, then that's fine. And if a minority group wants to be inclusive to the majority, that's fine, too. I understand either way of thinking.
and yeah, maybe read through and think about what you're saying. because idk, it comes off pretty entitled to me, even if you aren't intending it to be that way. you questioning a minority's reasons for inclusion/exclusion is pretty gross, imo. Especially not understanding why minorities shouldn't be wary. Really? Is that really difficult to understand?
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2) "Outside the chorus, Bell says, "many friends got why I'm doing this right away, although some people back where I grew up didn't fully understand. But I stood my ground. I told them just because you're in a gay chorus doesn't mean you're gay. I'm here because it's an outstanding chorus."
Let me fix that for you, guy! "But I stood my ground. I told them that it doesn't matter if it's a gay chorus; it's an outstanding one." Defending people's perception of your orientation over defending the chorus as a whole? Side-eye. :/
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I know what you mean. I think that it's because the article doesn't explore the reality that a traditionally queer space is slowly opening itself to straight people. I'm sure our two straight guys are lovely people, and I'll even concede that the acceptance is probably mostly genuine, but I'm also sure that in a group of over 200 people there are a few who are uncomfortable. I can't blame them. They are not wrong for feeling that way.
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(even if said person is a member of a group that doesn't suffer from discrimination, e.g. straight people)
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it's just that, if i found a group of people who i got along with, whose camraderie i valued and who's prescence was a strong, positive influence in my life, and that group of people felt the same about me, i don't see why i should be excluded from that group based on something arbitrary.
discrimination in general makes me really upset and uncomfortable. discrimination of minority groups is worse, obviously, but i just don't see why any discrimination is useful or necessary.
and i'm not saying that all white people should be invited into all minority groups, and all straight people should be invited into all LGTBQ groups, but why be wary of opening the group up to individuals who are a good fit?
(sorry if this is semi-incoherent, didn't sleep last night, apparently my brain decided it would be better to pass the time staring at the ceiling waiting to sleep)
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and yeah, maybe read through and think about what you're saying. because idk, it comes off pretty entitled to me, even if you aren't intending it to be that way. you questioning a minority's reasons for inclusion/exclusion is pretty gross, imo. Especially not understanding why minorities shouldn't be wary. Really? Is that really difficult to understand?
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