Hillary hatred, exposed: What drives America’s never-ending case against Clinton

[moonshaz]

It is difficult to tally how many conversations I have had with someone making extreme, paranoid and hateful remarks about Hillary Clinton. Often the accuser’s eyes open wide, spittle begins to form at the corner of his lips, and he declares that the world’s greatest monster is the former senator and secretary of state

Comments

[liliaeth]

Honestly, I think he problem is that a lot of Sanders fans are unwilling to accept responsibility for driving down enthusiasm for Hillary, and thus causing Trump's victory.

They'll try and talk over you, and pretend they're oh so progressive. but the reality is, that even now, they refuse to accept just how much harm they did, or why they did it.

[spiritoftherain]

How dare the Sanders supporters not love your candidate unconditionally.

When not even Sanders himself to get the ones who voted for him to support Clinton, maybe the problem wasn't with him?

[liliaeth]

I'm not saying that they had to love her unconditionally, I'm saying that if you listened to sanders voters, it often sounded like they believed she was worse than Trump. In fact, you constantly saw Sanders voters tear down Hillary, going after any Hillary fan and treating them like crap, forcing them into silence, while pretty much leaving Trump and his fans alone.

You let the false equivalency exist that made people believe that Hillary was somehow just as bad or worse than Trump.

[fka]

hillary supporters deserved that treatment for the way they treated bernie supporters, though.

[rainbows_]

"Jones is correct that Bordo undermines her credibility by entirely ignoring the failures, errors and injurious decisions of the Clinton campaign"

lmao

"Is it really best to focus on how Clinton should have spent more time in Wisconsin?"

The answer is: yes.

"Jones actually devotes attention to how Clinton supported raising the minimum wage to $12, while Sanders went for the full $15. The $3 difference will surely comfort elderly people, who may no longer receive Meal on Wheels services, and the poor teenagers who, thanks to Trump, may not be able to apply for Pell grants for college."

?????

Here is a progressive left wing response to Susan Bordo's (author of The Destruction of Hillary Clinton) co-ed in the guardian, titled "A Millennial Feminist Explains the New Feminism to a Boomer Feminist Philosopher" by Katie Halper. A lot of the divide in the female + feminist support of Hillary was due to a generational divide, Katie goes into this in her article.

It starts:

"Dear Susan Bordo,

Your recent Guardian op-ed, “The

[omimouse]

Could we please just bury this horse already? I mean, I don't think we're getting anything useful out of this. At all.

Or can we at least have the honesty to admit that one of the major deciding factors in this election, after the racism, was that very large swathes of (white) people across the political spectrum decided that smashing the state was the best possible outcome, whether that was because they thought they'd come out on top after the dust settled, or because they thought the country needed a 'wake-up call'.

I really fucking hate my country right now.

[lightframes]

whether that was because they thought they'd come out on top after the dust settled, or because they thought the country needed a 'wake-up call'.

I think it was both tbh.

[maynardsong]

I think if Hillary had put more facetime into Wisconsin, Ohio, and/or Pennsylvania, she would have won over enough undecided voters to overcome Comey and misogyny and Bernie Bros and ALL that bullshit. As it is, she won the popular vote by almost 3 million.
But reading this OP felt cathartic and a necessary antidote to some of the other postings I see on here.

[meadowphoenix]

I mean the evidence suggest differently. She put in more time in Penn (substantially more) than in Ohio, but those states, as usual, voted similarly. That suggests that whatever else the problem, time wasn't it.

[lollycunt]

In Shattered, her aides talk about how the primary strategy was to very precisely allocate time and resources within the states to get the max amount of delegates as cheaply as possible, instead of putting the focus on connecting with a broader range of people in the state for the general, and then they didn't have time to build big organizations in the general. Basically a laser-focused data-based targeting compared to Obama's every fish fry in the state approach. I think you can make facetime based arguement that that was a mistake.

[meadowphoenix]

Well, no you can't. Time is time. At best what you are saying is that they spent more time in Penn versus Ohio based on algorithms and that the time was targeted. What you'd have to be implying from there is that none of the time meant anything at all, to get similar results in states which were allocated disparate time, unless there was the ability to put even more time (organization), and that time to anyone would influence everyone which

[lightframes]

Bordo approaches Vidal’s depth of insight when she wonders if the young women who despise Clinton do so because she reminds them of their mothers.

Good thing I have a good relationship with my mom! Although sense-of-humor-wise HRC reminds me more of my grandma.

I think one of the reasons people are so reluctant to face the role sexism played is because it's not an easy fix. It's easy to say "next time go to Wisconsin" (which she should have, not denying that) but we're not going to be able to fix sexism before the next woman runs for office.

[cherriesarered]

One thing I liked about Hillary was that she reminded me of my mom, who is smart, caring, and compassionate.