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eveofrevolution January 25 2017, 13:37:49 UTC

pikapika217 January 25 2017, 15:38:12 UTC
The idea of staying high to retain moral high ground doesn't work I'm cases of dealing with shameless people. The idea is all dependent upon them feeling shame for their actions and changing behavior but they DON'T and it leaves the victimized even worse than they were. The time to stay high is not now.

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mastadge January 26 2017, 00:47:39 UTC
Yes, this! My impression, possibly very wrong, is that many (not all) of the people repeating that we must go high are doing it less out of a moral conviction and more because going high involves not rocking the boat or breaking the law, and a large part of the high-ground left is comfortable enough in the status quo that they get the best of both worlds by "going high" without having to disrupt their comfort zones in effecting change.

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hudebnik January 26 2017, 18:48:28 UTC
That's just the point: it's not about retaining the moral high ground, it's about winning.

Have you ever tried to argue with one of those religious fundamentalists who tour college campuses ranting about abortion, homosexuality, whatever? They do this several days a week, fifty weeks a year, and they're very good at it. They've already heard all your facts and counter-arguments, and memorized a zinger to defuse each one. If you fight them on their preferred battlefield, with no weapons but facts, you'll lose.

Donald Trump's preferred weapons are ad hominem insults and bald-faced lies. He's been honing his skills at those things for decades, and he's very good at them. If you fight him on his preferred battlefield, you'll lose -- especially since he has a really big megaphone now ( ... )

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tilmon January 27 2017, 02:49:57 UTC
What a lovely fantasy. They should try that out in a Yahoo comments section.

Trump and his courtiers aren't showing contempt. That's too rarefied an emotion for them. They are showing hate, fear, greed. They are absolutely worthy of contempt, and they don't understand respectful civil discourse.

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meadowphoenix January 25 2017, 16:29:07 UTC
Kant? Racist as fuck Kant?

That's who this article is getting it's philosophical morality about contempt and objectification and basic respect as a human from?

Lmao, k.

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roseembolism January 25 2017, 19:10:57 UTC
We've been "Going High" for twenty years now, ten of them in the face of a relentless assault by the Right Wing. Just how well did that work? Are we supposed to stay dignified until we're loaded into cattle cars?

I have friends who have had to live in fear for the last ten years, constantly being told "Go high", "Don't respond in kind", "Use the system", etc. And now the people threatening them have the support of the government. When the fuck can we actually respond in kind? How many of us do they have to kill?

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hudebnik January 26 2017, 19:11:19 UTC
"Going high" in civil discourse is not the same thing as surrendering ( ... )

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prehnite January 25 2017, 20:18:43 UTC

When they go low, you fucking punch them in the neck so they know you mean business. This is about power not affect.
- #FreeBresha (@prisonculture) January 3, 2017

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