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bnmc2005 January 19 2017, 22:00:23 UTC
I have to say, OP, you metaphor is perfect.

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lightframes January 19 2017, 22:53:12 UTC
Sanders brought class politics into the discussion of the fight against racism, but did not do enough to bring the issue of racism into the struggle against class inequality.

I think the right-wing base for Donald Trump is real. A lot of it is incoherent, but there is a hard right-wing core to it. It is extremely racist and xenophobic. I don’t think it’s nearly at the level that we’ve seen, for example, in Europe, with the rise of genuinely far-right, semi-fascist parties and outright fascist parties, like Golden Dawn in Greece. But Donald Trump represents a sign of things potentially to come if we’re not able to put forward a left-wing alternative.

Two really good points. I've seen too many people try to pretend we can overlook the racism coming from that base, but we can't. It's real and we have to deal with it, in addition to addressing economic concerns.

“liberal brains pickled in the formaldehyde of identity politics,” as Luciana Bohne put it.In the literal hours after the election when I had to endure "progressives" telling ( ... )

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backincharge January 20 2017, 04:21:09 UTC
In regards to "identity politics" the problem seems to stem from people thinking that it's all the left cares about, which is bullshit.

I've heard people say "your party seems to care more about transgendered bathrooms than they do an economic message" which makes 0 sense because you can be focused on more than one issue at a time. The young people, who tend to lean more towards social justice, supported Bernie, not only because of that, but because of his economic message as well.

It amazes me that people think those issues cannot go hand and hand. That you have to give up one to support the other. I admit that after the election I started thinking if those people were right, but I've noticed it mostly comes from people on the right (and people on the left who are privileged) who want to scare the left into giving up the fight for social justice. Fuck them.

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lightframes January 20 2017, 04:35:11 UTC
Yes, exactly! That is literally a right-wing talking point and it was upsetting seeing people fall for it. And if we did (wrongly) give up social justice, we'd lose A LOT of voters just to gain others. I don't think it's a net gain.

There's a lot the Democratic Party needs to fix before the next election (love of war, love of corporate money, etc.). Fighting for social justice isn't one of those things.

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moonshaz January 20 2017, 02:34:06 UTC
"I'm not on Obamacare. My health insurance is through the ACA (Affordable Care Act), which was what they had to come up with after Obamacare crashed and burned as bad as it did. So I'm gonna be fine"

OH MY FUCKING GOD. That post was un-fucking-real. At least those other people set him(?) straight--or at least I hope they did; it's not clear whether he(?) was listening!

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lightframes January 20 2017, 03:14:10 UTC
Even if they did, it's too late. :/

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backincharge January 20 2017, 04:22:21 UTC
lol, they deserve everything coming towards them.

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evildevil January 20 2017, 05:00:00 UTC
too bad they vote and their vote affects us all...

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