An Electoral Process Trumped By Putin

[moonshaz]

By Bill Moyers and Michael Winship
It is very likely now that Donald Trump will be inaugurated as president of the United States on Jan. 20, in no small part because of the direct intervention in and manipulation of the American electoral process by Vladimir Putin, Russia’s strongman who rose to power as a ruthless agent of the KGB, the former

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[blackjedii]

Clinton would not have won even without the DNC leaks. Even without them there were too many other things that her team should have done and didnt and too many things she DID do that reflected poorly on her. Death of a thousamd cuts and all

Alao the way media is reporting on it makes it sound like Russiam engineers broke in all stealth like. They didnt. Podesta fell for those stupid "reset your password here" scams.

That is not to downpkay the serious nature of Russia wanting to screw the US over for their benefit but the Dems are way better off to strategize about how to combat the Rs and start winning even as early as next year when they will proceed to lose even more state elections. Considering McAuliffe is a Clintonite there is a pretty damn good chance Virginia is going red.

[m14mouse]

Yup. I was thinking the same thing.

[hikerpoet]

Part of me agrees with your last paragraph. I've seen so many times in here, "Let's keep Warren in the Senate where we need her". Well, that is far from forgone.

On the other hand, other outlying factors for this one--outsized dishonesty, a seeming want for Authoritarianism, complete distrust in the media, period--might very well translate over to these races too, now that folks have seen how well it worked. So fixing, reflecting, discussing, investigating, could very well go into the strategizing.

[blackjedii]

I agree wrt Dems maybe looking at strategies and reyooling but like... Idk

[flake_sake]

How come, that there is No political reaction to this. The election was comrpomized, it needs to be repeated. That's it.

[molkat]

does not compromise the final results of an election, even if it may influence the outcome.

So let's say the DNC did influence the primaries... you cool with that? Or do these mental gymnastics only apply when it results in a loss to Hillary?

[lollycunt]

This is a false dichotomy, many people have acknowledged that the DNC influenced the primary without saying it needs to be repeated

[omimouse]

And right around now is where I'm realizing just how much I miss good investigative journalism, because there's no one involved in this that's telling anything close to even half the truth. And as far as I can tell, the media is mostly yelling a lot, or saying nobody should be yelling, or weathervaning for ratings. Which means I'm left with the knowledge that this is something that might be a big deal, or it might be a small deal, or it might not be a deal at all, but literally everyone is pushing their own agenda so hard via this issue that there's no way in hell to figure out which of those three it *is*.

I suspect the next four years are, among a great many other things, going to be a constant reminder of *why* a working free press is vital to a functioning democracy.

[blackjedii]

+10000000

Also... A free oress NOT paid for by pruvate entities. That would help

[naotmaa]

x2. Absolutely.

[moonshaz]

no one involved in this that's telling anything close to even half the truthI agree about the importance of investigative journalism, by I'm not sure what you mean by this. Do you mean that everyone involved is lying or that they're just not telling all they know? I definitely agree they're not telling all they know; it's been spelled out pretty clearly that as much as we would all like to know more, a lot of that information is classified at this point

[checkerdandy]

It's pretty fucking rich to me that we're supposed to believe the CIA on pretty much anything having to do with democratic election processes.