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tilmon March 13 2016, 23:10:45 UTC
Have there been any cases of terror or child porn--or whatever convenient boogieman the government wishes to trot out--that actually hinged on decryption? I feel like it's a cold day in hell that I'm agreeing with someone from the Cato Institute, but aren't there plenty of other ways that such criminals are brought down?

I'm not really sure if Apple should be complying with the warrant to decrypt, since that seems like compelling forced labor rather than simply asking for information to be turned over. Why doesn't the FBI have the capacity to perform this work itself?

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meadowphoenix March 13 2016, 23:37:11 UTC
On people's computers? Of course ( ... )

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tilmon March 14 2016, 00:17:52 UTC
So the issue at hand is whether or not this particular case counts as a federal crime rather than a state crime? Is there a time limit on how long the FBI can investigate something that looks like it might be part of an interstate or international conspiracy? I'm sure it would be convenient to be able to make Apple hack the phones and find evidence quickly, but it's the same argument that gets used to justify torture ( ... )

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meadowphoenix March 14 2016, 01:26:58 UTC
That's often the issue, but it's not the only one. That's just an example of how evidence determines what is charged, which determines sentences and other post-conviction consequences. Sometimes, yes, it determines when someone is charged at all (that doesn't mean that Obama isn't fearmongering, btw, it just means that these are legit problems). The Statue of Limitations starts tolling after the end of an action (so if they can say an action is ongoing, and therefore part of one conspiracy then when you can charge someone is longer).

You're really not comparing a privacy issue to torture right? One is a war crime, one isn't. For one the government "need" doesn't matter, and for one it legally does.

Specifically for Apple, incorrectly trying to decode Apple's encryption will destroy the data inside the phone, so you can see why the government doesn't want to attempt it itself and got a court order.

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blink1217 March 13 2016, 23:13:25 UTC
I totally get what he's saying, but I still disagree...having a backdoor will just open the flood gates with privacy issues.

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