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fenris_lorsrai January 30 2015, 17:08:19 UTC
I saw anti-vax doctor (not gordon) on CNNN last night spouting this bullshit while some other doctor who was pro-vaccination basically said "how can you even call yourself a doctor? TOXINS? seriously, you are telling people there's toxins in vaccines?" the antivax guy being a cardiologist. but stating the same "measles is benigh" hooey. Plus a side of "chickenpox is totally harmless" as well. Tell that to everybody with shingles ( ... )

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13oct January 30 2015, 20:28:02 UTC
I've had shingles. I can't tell you just how incredibly painful it is.

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idemandjustice January 31 2015, 05:13:41 UTC
I know the instant it becomes an option for me, I'll be getting that shingles vaccine. Do not want.

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azetburcaptain February 2 2015, 03:06:55 UTC
So can we get shingles vaccine if we already are vaccinated for measles?

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angelmaye January 31 2015, 01:30:24 UTC
I had the measles as a baby. I was too young to have the vaccine and was exposed. Benign is NOT the word my mother uses to describe the experience. It was horrifying and I nearly died. Not something anyone should take lightly.

I also know three adults who survived Polio. There are reasons science tried so hard to eradicate these diseases.

If you want to be stupid and raise your kids to be stupid, fine. You don't have the right to make the rest of our kids stupid too.

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damnedscientist January 31 2015, 11:16:41 UTC
Yep, me too, I was just a year or so too old, got measles before the vaccine. I was a very healthy kid before I got it.

My parents were told I was going to die. I have spent the last five decades in constant pain, with double vision and significant visual impairment because of measles - I will never be free of it.

If my measles and what I have gone through was because my parents chose not to have me vaccinated, rather than because there was no vaccine, I would have disowned them.

I am now a virologist. People who don't vaccinate their kids against stuff like measles are beyond dumb. They are child abusers in my book.

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mollybarton January 31 2015, 03:34:33 UTC
Anti-vaxxers piss me off. My brother-in-law has cancer, is undergoing chemo, and can't get any kind of boosters for measles, etc. If he were to get measles now, it could KILL him.

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azetburcaptain February 2 2015, 03:10:15 UTC
Yes... even a cold would kill someone undergoing chemo. :(

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natyanayaki February 2 2015, 05:45:40 UTC
Best wishes to your brother-in-law!

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spyral_out January 31 2015, 04:09:11 UTC
Herd immunity is important specifically to protect immunocompromised individuals. And no, I don't think that ~personal freedoms~ should get a pass when it could literally kill people. Half my immediate family is immunocompromised - cancer, lymphatic diseases, lupus, and a number of other chronic health problems - and people who piss on options they have to keep themselves and their family healthy while simultaneously risking the health of my family members makes me see red.

Fuck antivaxxers. Fuck them forever. Selfish, stupid gits.

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evilnel January 31 2015, 04:34:54 UTC
I really hope this sets a precedent. Personally, I think parents who refuse to vaccinate their kids should be fined or jailed for endangering their children and others. I know enough people that are immunoc-ompromised because of medical conditions or treatments that don't deserve to get sick just because of some moron. At the very least, if you're so concerned about your special snowflake that you won't vaccinate them, you should have to pay to send your kid to a special school where all the other kids of stupid parents can go so at least it'll minimize people outside their stupid group getting sick. I really hope this dad gets his way.

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natyanayaki January 31 2015, 09:41:04 UTC
The scary thing is, forcing them to send their kids to a special school won't be enough. Disneyland can have infected anti-vaxxers, as can the local grocery, or park or whatever. It's scary.

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evilnel January 31 2015, 13:58:06 UTC
Yeah, it would be better if it were just illegal. Few people have died from vaccines, but plenty of people have died from the illnesses they prevent. It really is scary that people are allowed to publicly endanger others.

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theidolhands January 31 2015, 15:46:30 UTC
The only viable solution I could come up with was mass quarantine areas, where they would VISIT their kids or live nearby. It's not dissimilar to kids who are born with auto-immune problems (Boy in the Bubble) and serious steps have to be taken to prevent germs & contamination; it really isn't easy. I'm not saying this is practical, but it was the only method I've thought up where there is any possibility of letting people raise kids without vaccination and keeping their CHILDREN as well as the public at large far safer (nothing would eliminate risk, but it could be kept to a minimum ( ... )

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