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teaoli July 28 2014, 23:31:17 UTC
Heaven forbid someone make a decision about what's best for their own body, using years of research to back up their wishes.

I know women who were pressured into having C-sections they didn't want, but I didn't know the pressure could go this far.

Disgusting.

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lozbabie July 29 2014, 04:34:05 UTC
Does this argument not apply to anti-vaxxers?

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moonshaz July 29 2014, 08:31:21 UTC
Apples. Oranges. Not the same thing at all.

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teaoli July 29 2014, 17:02:58 UTC
Huh?

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lady_leia_solo July 28 2014, 23:32:39 UTC
Oh my goodness this is terrifying!

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bex July 28 2014, 23:53:26 UTC
Federal District Judge John E. Steele denied the request, stating in part that Goodall has no “right to compel a physician or medical facility to perform a medical procedure in the manner she wishes against their best medical judgment.”

By this reasoning, nobody has any right to make medical decisions for themselves ever, right? It's basically saying you can never push back against a physician or medical facility's decision about what sort of treatment to administer, according to their "best medical judgment." What an awful precedent.

EDIT: Also, Farah Diaz-Tello and the other NAPW folks are fantastic. I do research on substance use during pregnancy and NAPW writes amazing briefs and comes to the defense of pregnant women who are being railroaded by the court system. I have so much respect for what they do and I'm so grateful that they're there to do it.

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lafinjack July 29 2014, 02:49:07 UTC
Any particular line of research, if I may ask?

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bex July 29 2014, 03:05:21 UTC
Sure. I'm a criminologist by education but with a strong interest in public health. The issue of substance use during pregnancy is a criminal issue because of the whole "War on Drugs" thing and the increasing criminalization of women's behaviors during pregnancy (not just illegal drugs, but also in cases of women who've attempted suicide, women who have defied medical advice, and so on). In some places, prosecutors have used existing laws meant to protect born children from abuse to prosecute women for their behavior during pregnancy, which represents (IMO) a dangerous extension of personhood rights to fetuses. Other jurisdictions have created new laws that criminalize substance use during pregnancy and classify such substance use as assault, again granting personhood rights to the fetus ( ... )

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lafinjack July 29 2014, 07:58:49 UTC
Interesting. Good luck, and thank you.

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serendipity_15 July 28 2014, 23:59:30 UTC
Jennifer had her baby, not at this hospital but a different that would allow her to attempt a VBAC. She ended up having to have a c-section in the end, which she consented to, but was grateful that this hospital respected her decision to allow her to at least attempt labor.

http://www.sheknows.com/parenting/articles/1045199/is-this-america-woman-may-be-forced-to-have-c-section

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darsynia July 29 2014, 00:07:53 UTC
I'm relieved to hear this, thank you! I'm 25 weeks along with my third and as they say, 'there but for the grace of God go I,' as I've been lucky enough that my body responds very well to the interventions that are now par for the course for birthing at a hospital in the US. I 100% would not be pregnant with our third child if it weren't for that fact; every first time mother honestly is so fearful of what's going to happen, and to have to be fearful for the fourth time is so not okay!

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alryssa July 30 2014, 04:39:25 UTC
Oh thank goodness. The fact that this kind of situation required her to do this, however...

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blackjedii July 29 2014, 00:03:31 UTC
silly no once you have a bb in your tummy u are no longer a person

u are like

a box

that will hopefully hold a future white dude

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lafinjack July 29 2014, 02:48:34 UTC

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moonshaz July 29 2014, 08:39:20 UTC

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lafinjack July 29 2014, 15:54:54 UTC

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