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clevermanka April 21 2014, 21:44:27 UTC
"This nation is in danger because of its ignorance of what God has taught."

This nation is in danger because of ignorant asshats like you, buddy. FUCK. OFF.

How can people still shop there with a clear conscience? I don't get it. I mean, do you really need a balsa wood box that bad?

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jamesalesto April 21 2014, 21:49:01 UTC
MTE

They can fall off a cliff.

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shadwing April 22 2014, 02:02:50 UTC
They are the ONLY shop that still carries a decent collection of cross stitch supplies and there are at least two around my house.

It's tempting to go in there if I need something I simply cannot get at JoAnns or Michaels...but I refrain and go online (and cringe at shipping costs) at least my cash goes to small businesses instead

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clevermanka April 22 2014, 13:27:30 UTC
Thank you.

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evilnel April 22 2014, 00:01:46 UTC
I didn't go to public school, so correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't an elective course something which people have the option NOT to take? I don't like this guy and I don't like religious agenda, but if it's not a required course, how is this any different from somebody taking an elective on eastern religions or Greek philosophy? If this is upsetting because these people are assholes, that's one thing (the whole Hobby Lobby thing is beyond ridiculous), but if it's because somehow offering a Bible class that people don't have to take is offensive, that's a whole different ball game.

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shadwing April 22 2014, 02:09:13 UTC
The fear could be that what is elective now...could become required in the future. Also the fact that a private obviously religious group is trying to get this into the schools and get the state to in essence to pay for the cost of teachers, building costs ect.

If they REALLY wanted to offer a bible course they can easily pay for their own teachers and rent space from anywhere and have a night class, to be paid for by parents whose students were in public school and still wanted them to have a religious education. Heck PLENTY of parishes offer 'Bible Study' usually 1-2 times a week at the church, either free (paid by the church) or a small fee is attached to defuse some costs.

There is no reason why they need to push this though the public system other than they have money, and because they want to.

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evilnel April 22 2014, 02:37:57 UTC
Maybe because I live in Minnesota (which is pretty liberal all things considered) I have a hard time seeing this slippery slope argument as valid... there's a big difference between offering an elective and changing law to make that elective a requirement. In Oklahoma, maybe... I'm not really sure how far right the state swings and if that would be as easy as say, Texas or Mississippi. I suppose it's possible ( ... )

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nicosian April 22 2014, 02:30:32 UTC
I think it's a case of them crying on one hand that they're being oppressed by not being able to dictate birth control coverage to staff for religious reasons, then turning around and wanting this elective in all the schools too.

They cannot force people to abide by their religious dictates, and as the poster below/above me said "elective now, mandatory later" is kinda how these things slide.

Why is a corporation allowed to dictate law of the land and content of schools, and health care access for employees, is my question. To me it's just such a massive over-reach that needs to be properly slapped back.

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martyfan April 22 2014, 00:29:12 UTC
HEY HOBBY LOBBY. You can't have it both fucking ways.

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ladycyndra April 22 2014, 05:10:36 UTC
MFTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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ladycyndra April 22 2014, 05:12:07 UTC
I'm just in awe of these people. What in the hell do they hope to accomplish? It makes me sick, to be quite honest.

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zinnia_rose April 22 2014, 09:17:29 UTC
Hobby Lobby can go fuck itself. I'm all for comparative religion classes, but any class that teaches one religion as The Truth has absolutely no place in a public school, elective or not. And let's be real, the odds of a class on Christianity backed by Hobby Lobby being anything but pure religious doctrine are approximately 0.00001%.

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shoujokakumei April 22 2014, 13:57:10 UTC
Agreed. Elective or not, if this class is teaching Christianity as objective fact, get it the fuck away from any publicly funded school.

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yndigot April 22 2014, 15:34:05 UTC
THIS. I'm a Religious Studies nerd and think it's a shame that classes that encourage critical thinking and analysis of religion aren't widely taught until college. (It certainly wasn't offered as an elective where I went to high school and the history teachers, even the very good ones who were encouraging critical thinking in other areas, were probably too afraid to cause controversy and glossed over religion quite a bit.)

I think it's something (one of many things) that's lacking in our education system. But these are NOT the people I trust to correct that problem. At all.

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rhysande April 23 2014, 16:49:18 UTC
Yes, yes, and yes.

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