Comments | ontd_political: Kevin Cramer, North Dakota Congressman, Ties School Shootings To Abortion Legalization

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Kevin Cramer, North Dakota Congressman, Ties School Shootings To Abortion Legalization

May 17, 2013 08:40

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alexvdl May 17 2013, 18:05:33 UTC

Didn't Freakanomics show that legalizing abortion actually reduced crime?

crossfire May 17 2013, 20:17:17 UTC

Excuse you, those are facts you're talking about.

meran_flash May 19 2013, 03:25:50 UTC

fuck Freakanomics tbh

alexvdl May 19 2013, 03:29:37 UTC

???

zinnia_rose May 17 2013, 18:10:32 UTC

Yes, because nobody's ever been killed in the name of religion.

zinnia_rose May 17 2013, 18:10:56 UTC

OH WAIT...

mickeym May 17 2013, 18:26:36 UTC

Honestly, this guy (and the others like him) makes me think of the Westboro Baptist asses, equating gay rights with dead soldiers. :-/

moonshaz May 18 2013, 20:57:42 UTC

VERY strong resemblance there, yes.

little_rachael May 18 2013, 01:35:32 UTC

I was going to say that it's not as though you have to believe in God to know murdering innocent people is wrong, but then I realize he's not suggesting that it's atheists who are committing these crimes. He's suggesting that God's such an asshole that he'd will innocent people to die as a punishment for people not having the right religion.

Why would anyone want to believe in a God like that?

screamingintune May 18 2013, 04:44:58 UTC

I've always that the God conservatives describe sounds like a total asshole

hinoema May 18 2013, 10:37:09 UTC

He's the manifestation of the assholes they wish they could be.

littlelauren86 May 18 2013, 08:07:11 UTC

Um, the two things don't have anything to do with each other. How do they even come up with this crap?

hinoema May 18 2013, 10:35:52 UTC

Because the rational process of people like this includes an arbitrary factor. While most people process on a line from cause to effect where cause and effect must be related, statements like the one Cramer made indicate a line of reasoning that proceeds from cause to 'god' to effect. Think of 'cause' as "anything that is either generally good or generally bad, that you are supposed to do (or not do) according to their internalized rules, regardless of what it is", and effect as "bad things that happen, regardless of what they are" and insert this 'god' as the associative factor, and there you have it- theo-logic.

People did things they weren't supposed to do, 'god' saw these things, the effect was bad things happening. No further rational connection is needed, because, you know, 'god'. This seems to be a perfectly acceptable form of 'logic' to some people.

That's what happens to rational process when you throw an ineffable factor in the mix.