A Sherlock Fan Responds to Victoria Coren's Hate-filled Review of Lucy Liu's Watson

[sherlockholmes]

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[wuvvumsoc]

I'm not sure if the critic thought well when she said that casting a woman into Watson's role "castrated" him. This is mainly because it strikes me as castration = emasculation, and feminine = emasculating. I know there's this thing where femininity or just even being like a female is considered bad and degrading for men

[meran_flash]

No, I'm aware of that, but you gotta admit that after a while House as a character veered way off the model, and only a couple of the characters were meant to be reflections at all of ones in the books, and the structure of the "mysteries" eventually broke down pretty far to the point that I think it's hard to associate them with the way they played out in Holmes stories. I'm just saying it isn't the most accurate comparison; like, I usually had to explain the House/Holmes parallels to people, because they weren't explicit.

Unless the original Sherlock Holmes was in fact a big evolutionary-psychology quoting hipster, idk.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not sitting here singing the praises of BBC Sherlock as some progressive herald; I do think it pulls of some interesting less-than-totally-hetero dynamics, but it's legit fucked in a lot of ways and Moffat really can just go die in a hole somewhere.

[sherlockholmes]

Unless the original Sherlock Holmes was in fact a big evolutionary-psychology quoting hipster, idk.

Well, funny you should say that. :P I could argue that the Bohemian was the hipster of 1890 if I....really cared. But generally, I just like to bring up House when people are like "OMG BBC INVENTED MODERN HOLMES, HDU" because I want those people to take a seat.

Also, to be honest, I stopped watching House in the last few seasons because it just went too weird for me, especially with Cuddy.

And Moffat is pretty much the problem with most of the things I like, so really -- I couldn't agree more.

[meran_flash]

THAT'S THE THING, I was INCREDIBLY invested in House. It was a bfd for me, and I felt like I HAD to stick it out, but I just... couldn't. I finally gave up somewhere in the last two seasons, and only came back for the finale storyline with Wilson. So I had to witness the way House's character even as it was portrayed IN the show, NOT compared to anything else, deteriorated into a big pile of "what even."

So yeah, I totally understand that BBC did not invent modern Sherlock Holmes, but I do think it was never as dedicated to the structure of the original story as other modern interpretations, and if we're talking about the Holmes/Watson dynamic specifically, Wilson unfortunately lost a lot of significance/screentime after a while.

[sherlockholmes]

I DID THE SAME THING, I came back for the end and.... the only way I can describe the feeling I had for it was like, it was the same feeling I had coming back and watching the second X-Files film. It was like a slap in the face to people who liked what they used to be doing.

And I liked Wilson/House so much (in a totally bromantic way) that like, I was sad when he was reduced so hard.

[chibi_lurrel]

You might this show, then, because she is really not side-kicky at all, and the writers are pretty committed to not opening up a will-they-or-won't-they dynamic.

[eatmyphotons]

it's more like a babysitter-and-charge dynamic i find

[mapsandlegends]

Personally, I see any sexual tension between Sherlock and John on the show as gay-baiting on Steven Moffat's part. He likes to play it up (or let Gatiss play it up), then yell "NO HOMO!" and run away. His need to constantly make sure we know nothing gay is going on (and making it a source of humor) while still trying to ingratiate himself to the gay-friendly part of the Sherlock audience makes me sick. He wants to have his cake and eat it too. I really don't like the guy, especially after reading his interviews. He's a sexist, homophobic asshole.

[inkedfeathers]

Oh, God, I did that too with some characters: I know I saw Double D from Ed, Edd, and Eddy as a girl!

Partly, it was because of the voice, and partly, it was because I could empathize more with a geeky, perfectionist if she was a girl like me! ^o^;

I love genderswaps for characters and I think your female Tails sounds adorable! I remember thinking of Sonic as a boy as a kid, but Tails didn't strike me as strictly male or female... just a kid in my mind. ^^; So, I could see it go either way!
Why can't Sonic's little best bud be a girl?

[wuvvumsoc]

Someone said that Sonic's reaction to Amy and Rouge suggests that he does not do well around women or like girls. Sonic 2006 totally throws such a notion down the drain.

Honestly I thought he just didn't like Amy fangirling. Having a girl sidekick I think would be totally different and adorable.

And Double D's voice is pretty cute. I could see a female Edd c:

[inkedfeathers]

Oh, that? Yeah, I always thought that was just because Amy Rose's behaviour's a little too much for him too. xD;

It would be cute!

x333 Now that I think about it, I remember I wasn't the only one who thought he was a girl, if only because of that voice!